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Many elementary teachers don’t understand math, and it makes them anxious

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Re: Many elementary teachers don’t understand math, and it makes them anxious

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You don't need algebra. You know that 10 numbers are 2012, so on average 201, so the middle of the numbers needs to be around there. After that you just try a few sequences around 201 and you'll find it pretty quickly, most can add 11 numbers pretty fast in 6'th grade. Forcing yourself to only rely on the solution strategies taught by school makes you very bad at problem solving.

I specifically set out to find a solution that doesn’t involve any brute force (trial and error). Trial and error can waste all of your time and get you nowhere on nontrivial problems.

The act of figuring out how to solve the problem is itself an act of trial and error. And in many problems, the clever part is figuring out how to target your trial and error.

For instance, if you want to find the global minimum of some function on the integers, you might realize you can find the roots of the derivative and test only the neighboring integers. If you want to divide 144359305 by 241, you're going to start by guessing how many times 241 goes into 1443, and then multiply to check whether that's right. If you want to compute floor(29489238428^(1/3)) by hand, you're better off smartly guessing and checking than trying to figure out a digit-by-digit cube root algorithm on the spot.

Re: Many elementary teachers don’t understand math, and it makes them anxious

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Perhaps base 10 is the problem. In base 2, you can learn the "multiplication table" in 10 seconds (0 X n=0, 1 X n=n, we're done.) The long multiplication algorithm for n and m is just multiply by n by the least significant bit of m, add to the accumulator, left shift, repeat. You can do subtraction by adding the two's complement (just flip every 1 to a zero and every zero to a one - trivial for a child to learn) inst…

Having to say one billion one million one hundred and one (12 syllables) to mean 583 (5 syllables) just sounds annoying.

Re: Many elementary teachers don’t understand math, and it makes them anxious

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I have never once in my life used logarithms in that fashion. I've used them in other ways, but why would you do it that way instead of just hitting the "*" button?

Because you did not have a * button?

You don't have a calculator, so you're calculating logarithms by hand?

Re: Many elementary teachers don’t understand math, and it makes them anxious

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Because you did not have a * button?

You don't have a calculator, so you're calculating logarithms by hand?

You understand that slide rules existed before calculators, yeah?

Re: Many elementary teachers don’t understand math, and it makes them anxious

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Huh. I'm from India, and from what I can tell, maths is taught much better here than in the US, at least till 10th grade, after which it's no longer compulsory. It's actually taught in a very intuitive manner, and most students "get" it quite well. Edit: the textbooks are freely available on the web, if anyone wishes to take a look. Look up "NCERT class 10 maths textbook".

My experience has been the opposite. Indian kids can solve math problems in the "curriculum" quite well but ask them to do anything WITH the math and they're lost. Ask them how the theorem relates to the natural world and they don't know. Ask them what applications it has and they don't know. Ask them to extrapolate their current knowledge base to a theoretical future and they are completely lost on what a "next step…

I can pretty much agree with you. Especially in state boards, it is just knowing how to solve problems given at end of textbook..

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Yes the seasons are due to earths tilt, but the tilt still doesn't change between seasons as his wife thought, only earths position compared to the sun does.

The tilt of the earth relative to the sun does in fact change. That’s what the seasons are. If the earth was tilted but the tilt didn’t change over the course of the year the areas that had longer days due to being tilted towards the sun would be permanently hotter than the areas tilted away. There would be a permanent summer and winter, rather as at the equator it’s always summer. The changing tilt of the earth rela…

she thought the earth would literally tilt back and forth (as though in place)

it's tilted. and it moves to the other side of the sun. so its tilt relative the sun changes. but it doesn't rock back and forth on its own

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