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Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by linuxftw »

umvi wrote: post #99
GuiA wrote: post #87

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There are still 6 times more guns per person in the US than in Switzerland. Looking at the numbers also shows that Switzerland is far from being an outlier in any way, so I'm not sure why the Swiss system is more interesting than the Austrian system or Swedish system in that regard. There are just way too many guns in the US (i.e. "it's just way too easy to get a gun in the US"). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimat…

The vast majority of those guns are sitting around harmlessly in gun collector's lockers. US has a mental illness problem. At some point, a societal sickness entered the country. A sickness of nihilism and hopelessness. A sickness where (mostly men) feel lonely and unloved and powerless to change their futures. A sickness where hatred for peers is harbored for years until it festers and explodes out in a violent way.…

> Why does America have these kinds of people at such high frequencies compared to Switzerland?

Public schools.

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Post by therealx »

mc32 wrote: post #324
superkuh wrote: post #314

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Imagine each one of those cameras were being held by a person. How would you react then? This is the true nature of the situation. Surveillance Camera Man made it explicit, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5ZVPwP7bg : people hate being watched. Doing it with machines is an exploit for the human psyche.

The video on those systems usually is turned over every month. The video isn’t accessed unless there was an event. These systems aren’t integrated into larger systems to help track and ID people. That said, some of this could change if many shops go to nest or ring solutions... but most shop owners will not keep video footage indefinitely in the cloud as it’d be cost prohibitive.

I bet the moment unlimited storage is cheap, shop owners will do it.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

foldr wrote: post #279
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #199

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> why do you feel that you need a gun? A. In a free society, I am not required to justify my choices. I don’t have to explain my “feelings” about anything. B. “Need”, there is that word again. In what ways are enumerated rights dependent on needs? If something better than a gun existed for personal defense, I’d want that, I don’t have to explain my “need” about anything. You seem like you are confusing rights with gr…

I don't care particularly about gun rights in the US as I'm not American and no longer live in the US. My question was simply why someone who believed that knives were as effective as guns would feel that they needed a gun to defend themselves. I think you are getting the wrong end of the stick.

I don’t really care how it got there. You posed the question of why someone “feels” they have a “need” to a civil right.

No other right has to face such scrutiny. Do you ask people why they feel they need privacy? Or why the feel they need free speech?

Your argument is based on your own personal dislike for a right, that’s arguing in bad faith.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by linuxftw »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #316
mythrwy wrote: post #62

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You don't need a license to posses a gun in many (most?) states. You do need a federal background check to purchase a gun from a vendor. And a license to carry a concealed gun. But as far as owning a gun, no license needed in any state I've lived in.

So anyone can have a gun, you just have to get someone else to purchase it? I was under the apparent misapprehension that the license you needed to purchase a gun was an ownership license - ie you got the right to own, then could purchase.

> So anyone can have a gun

Yes, unless prohibited by law (criminal conviction, judged mentally infirm)

> you just have to get someone else to purchase it?

No, that's not lawful.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

shadowgovt wrote: post #81
leggomylibro wrote: post #39

My Aunt has a child in early middle school - years 6 through 9 or so, for people outside the US. Not only does the poor kid have a school-issued laptop with heavy monitoring tools installed on it, but they are also required to bring a smartphone to school! My Aunt had made them tape over the laptop's webcam and explained that everything the kid typed could probably be seen by the school, but she was still concerned a…

The constant use of smartphones has become a pretty central part of US culture. Shouldn't school reflect the environment the student is being taught to live in?

The comment isn't describing use of cell phones as a central part of US culture. It's describing tyrannical, invasive policies that happen to involve smart phones.

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Post by sdinsn »

shadowgovt wrote: post #88
some_random wrote: post #80

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"Restrict more, different rights to make us safer^tm"

Most laws restrict some right to make us safer, and most laws succeed at that. For all the vehicular homicides in the US, there'd be more if we didn't require driving on the right-hand-side of the road and not driving on the sidewalk. The question is always where the tradeoff point should be, not whether there's any tradeoff.

The difference is that driving is not a constitutional right.

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Post by jdkdnfndnfjd »

rtkwe wrote: post #254
systemtest wrote: post #46

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Or just fix the underlaying issue. Switzerland has 2 million guns on 8 million citizens. Yet no school shootings. Why don't they have school shootings and can we apply the Swiss system to the United States?

I mean if we're talking about Switzerland we have to talk about how their gun laws would be considered extremely draconian and unconstitutional in the US. [see 0] For starters all guns and ammunition purchases have what are essentially background checks, and it's much easier to lose the right to purchase, carry permits are basically non-existent and most transit is explicitly only to and from shooting ranges or hunti…

There are guns around. Kids that want to shoot up schools could very easily gain access to one. And yet it doesn’t happen. Violent behavior is not a product to access to guns.

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Post by sdinsn »

lm28469 wrote: post #51
turk73 wrote: post #16

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I'd rather just shut down the schools than give up any more rights. If you haven't noticed, our Federal government is totally out of control and has gone rogue and I don't think it's a very good idea to cede any further power or individual rights to that monster. The right to bear arms was paid for in blood and not just once. Good men laid down their lives so we could have these rights. That a few kooks will shoot up…

Education is a right, and imho it should rank higher than guns.

> Education is a right

I can't find that in the constitution.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

foldr wrote: post #278
philwelch wrote: post #179

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> Just look at the recent terrorist incident in London. The guy killed two people with a knife before being restrained by unarmed members of the public. The people restraining him were armed with a fire extinguisher and a narwhal tusk, and he was ultimately subdued by the police shooting him with guns. Also, since banning guns didn’t actually seem to fix anything, they’re now working on banning knives. So you can’t j…

>The people restraining him were armed with a fire extinguisher and a narwhal tusk I.e., whatever objects happened to be at hand. I don't think you'd have much luck using a fire extinguisher against someone with an assault rifle. >Also, since banning guns didn’t actually seem to fix anything Hmm? There have been no mass killings in schools since the handgun ban. What was anyone expecting it to fix that it hasn't fixe…

> I.e., whatever objects happened to be at hand. I don't think you'd have much luck using a fire extinguisher against someone with an assault rifle.

A rifle is not automatically an assault rifle... But also, if law abiding citizens have their own guns, they can shoot a mad shooter before they cause too much damage.

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