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Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by chrisseaton »

saiya-jin wrote: post #239
chrisseaton wrote: post #180

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How do you block specific websites without monitoring which website is being visited? That doesn’t make any sense.

Hmm, what about this approach - monitoring adds a certain action on top of that blocked (or not) website you try to access. It gets reported, your credit/social/whatever score goes down. As a kid, you might have a talk with counselor, or your parents with principal. As working adult, you might get a warning or get fired. Your access to foreign travel, sim card, voting etc. might get altered.

That's both monitoring and blocking. I'm not sure you can block without monitoring.

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Post by sojournerc »

wbronitsky wrote: post #107
sojournerc wrote: post #82

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First of all, making something illegal does not make it disappear, and you're also grossly overestimating the occurrence (as are the people calling for clear backpacks) of school shootings. The vast majority of shootings are between criminal gangs - making the guns illegal will not magically make criminals into upstanding citizens. Consider that the news cycle and FUD have created a terrible availability bias in our…

One school shooting is far too many. I reject your argument vehemently. We are talking about murdered children.

What was I arguing? I merely pointed towards a well known psychological bias that's resulting in feel-good measures that do little to ensure _actual_ safety.

There are many more risks to our children we should consider before this one, and there's only so much political capital to do it. Authoritarianism is one of those risks...

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Post by Kaiyou »

shadowgovt wrote: post #219
Kaiyou wrote: post #206

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Animals raised in captivity also don't give off the impression to be too burdened by their situation from the perspective of a casual observer.

I'm going to assume you don't mean to compare the citizens of Sweden and Germany to captive animals.

Then what do you assume I wanted to say?

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Post by ghostpepper »

balabaster wrote: post #231
rahuldottech wrote: post #20

THIS IS NOT OKAY. We can't have children being used to constant surveillance and accepting this as a part of life. It sets them up for so many problems in the future, where they won't understand the serious implications of constant tracking and surveillance. And sure, nothing too bad comes out of this stuff right now in most of the world, but have you seen China? The minute a government decides to do so, all that dat…

The flip side of the coin is that kids learn from a very early age what it takes to slip past the surveillance net. The smart ones watch everyone around them get caught for infractions. Taking note. Quietly gathering data. Towing the line, purposely being caught for the occasional minor infraction so as not to appear too good to be true. Until one day, they disappear from prison in the middle of a storm and take the…

What movie is it? I would watch it.

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Post by nabnob »

mywittyname wrote: post #182
Ididntdothis wrote: post #8

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They probably won’t even feel safe without it.

From what I've heard of students, the surveillance they are under is a constant reminder that they are "not safe". People are just now starting to study what should have always been obvious: that active shooter drills are traumatic to students [1]. These topics are much easier to tackle than the real issues effecting students. [1] https://www.npr.org/2019/11/10/778015261/experts-worry-activ...

I remember seeing a post on reddit from a school teacher describing the active shooter training they received from a local police department. Apparently it just turned into an opportunity for the police to berate and shout at the teachers and students.

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Post by raxxorrax »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #22
umvi wrote: post #6

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Unpopular opinion: basically no one dies by guns in schools so don't even bother with clear backpacks.

Part of the problem is not just the actual risk, but the perception of risk. People deserve to not feel like they are going to be shot when they show up to an educational institution, and that feeling has been withering away lately

And we should reinforce this perception by strip searching kids?

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Post by jakebasile »

mattlondon wrote: post #4

Unpopular opinion: make private gun ownership illegal instead of forcing kids to be monitored to make sure they're not carrying

It's a good thing the innate right to self defense, from which the right to keep and bear arms is derived, is not subject to your unpopular opinion.

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Post by shadowgovt »

Kaiyou wrote: post #263
shadowgovt wrote: post #219

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I'm going to assume you don't mean to compare the citizens of Sweden and Germany to captive animals.

Then what do you assume I wanted to say?

I have made no assumptions; I believe I misunderstand you. Can you clarify your meaning?

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Post by hanniabu »

zepto wrote: post #9
umvi wrote: post #6

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Unpopular opinion: basically no one dies by guns in schools so don't even bother with clear backpacks.

Exactly. Force schools to quantify this risk against others. More kids die cycling to school than by guns.

Hmmmm, we should also ban bicycles and sidewalks! /s

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Post by therealdrag0 »

Thriptic wrote: post #155

Poor, emotion driven risk management as usual. School shootings kill very few people per year and are rare events (especially in places that can afford this tech) despite what the New York Times would have you believe. Why not focus efforts on things that actually do kill young people, namely: * Car crashes (teach people to drive more defensively) * Suicides (provide better mental health services) * Violence that occ…

Furthermore, you could probably provide a number of free lunches for the cost of the surveillance tech and laptops for every student.
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