I grew up with this (clear backpacks) ~30 years ago. We all had these drawstring mesh laundry bag looking things. Which, surprisingly, were horrible at carrying textbooks in...so we didn't.
Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance
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#182> This level of surveillance is “not too over-the-top”, Ingrid said, and she feels her classmates are generally “accepting” of it. Of course they think that, they’re still kids. Who’s going to protect them from surveillance? IMO this is way over the top - and it’s conditioning future generations to accept this level of surveillance as adults.
They probably won’t even feel safe without it.
From what I've heard of students, the surveillance they are under is a constant reminder that they are "not safe". People are just now starting to study what should have always been obvious: that active shooter drills are traumatic to students [1].
These topics are much easier to tackle than the real issues effecting students.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2019/11/10/778015261/experts-worry-activ...
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#183THIS IS NOT OKAY. We can't have children being used to constant surveillance and accepting this as a part of life. It sets them up for so many problems in the future, where they won't understand the serious implications of constant tracking and surveillance. And sure, nothing too bad comes out of this stuff right now in most of the world, but have you seen China? The minute a government decides to do so, all that dat…
Which bit of this are you upset with specifically? Monitoring internet access on school devices? That's been standard in every single school and workplace for decades. The clear backpacks are silly I'll admit, and also pointless. I agree that kids getting conditioned to be okay with surveillance is bad, but this is all coming from the private sector right now. In China, you now have to submit your face to be scanned…
>The clear backpacks are silly I'll admit, and also pointless. I agree that kids getting conditioned to be okay with surveillance is bad, but this is all coming from the private sector right now.
I think you'll find the opposite effect. Kids are being taught to hide things far better than before. Increasing their privacy skills for their adult lives :D
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#184Unpopular opinion: make private gun ownership illegal instead of forcing kids to be monitored to make sure they're not carrying
2nd amendment good, 4th amendment bad, mmkay
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your argument is very, very weak whataboutism. Just because people die of other things more frequently does not mean that you are not supposed to prevent deaths. Your argument suggests that we should not be bothering with a justice system at all, because far more people die of cancer and heart disease than are murdered or crippled, therefore it would be dumb to put any money down for preventing and prosecuting murder…
No. If we look at the draconic measures being taken the reaction is way out of line with the problem. If we reacted to the other dangers the same way, society wouldn't function. Schools are turned into high-security institutions, or the appearances of it. Watching kids for fear of them freaking out is not a good signal to send. It means you only care when it's too late.
A proper measure isn't about "scale of reaction" it's whether it's effective. These draconian measures are red herrings; I'm not sure they're even meant to prevent anything, because they won't work. They will not prevent school shootings, full stop. It's opportunistic bullshit from legislators.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which bit of this are you upset with specifically? Monitoring internet access on school devices? That's been standard in every single school and workplace for decades. The clear backpacks are silly I'll admit, and also pointless. I agree that kids getting conditioned to be okay with surveillance is bad, but this is all coming from the private sector right now. In China, you now have to submit your face to be scanned…
> That's been standard in every single school and workplace for decades. Monitoring work or school internet use without specific prior suspicion is illegal in the entire EU; so this level of surveillance may be "standard" in some countries, but hardly globally. > In China, Not exactly the reference I was looking for, though from this perspective any level of surveillance is normal.
Plenty of places in the EU routinely monitor customers and block certain websites. Rail companies blocking streaming sites for just one very reasonable example. It can’t be as simply illegal as you say it is.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, since you bring it up, there's some evidence that the abstinence-until-21 system the US uses for alcohol does it no favors. It means that instead of being able to learn responsible drinking at home or while younger, America's youth may legally start drinking in college and sort of make up a responsible drinking culture as they go along.
You mention drinking at home. The law bans the purchase of alcohol by children, but does it ban parents giving alcohol to their children? I dont think so.
It's created a cultural stigma that results in most Americans refraining from exercising that freedom, but you're correct; it is not illegal to serve alcohol to minors at home (there are details there that I'm not going to go look up right now ;) ).
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#188Hey these clear backpacks actually look pretty cool.
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#189Disappointed to see the young being indoctrinated so early to accept the surveillance state.
No, they are being to taught to hide their activities from the surveillance state, you think the teenagers in high school in their angst phase are going to accept it? Hah.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The right to bear arms was paid for in blood and not just once. And worse, gun restrictions only benefit criminals. There's plenty of people who legally own firearms and protect their homes and their property legally. They also avoid plenty of crime since criminals tend to run when a gun is pulled on them especially in stand your ground states. They've tried banning everything in England and criminals will still ki…
> And worse, gun restrictions only benefit criminals. There's plenty of people who legally own firearms and protect their homes and their property legally. The real question is why are the US ranking so high in violent crime and murder rates compared to other developed countries. You shouldn't feel the need to "protect" your home in the #1 power in the world.
The US isn’t a European country that happens to be in the New World, it’s a New World country that somehow managed to become a superpower. It makes a lot more sense to see the US as an overachieving Mexico or Brazil than as an abnormally violent Britain or Germany.