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Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips

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Re: Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips

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Post by monocasa »

barry-cotter wrote: post #35
rootsudo wrote: post #4

I checked out a Huawei store - they're the same asthetic as an apple store with a ton more useful tech then an ipod, macbook and imac. The phones were impressive and very affordable. We're talking $200-300 for 6gb ram devices, 128gb storage, etc. Google, Apple are right to be worried.

> I checked out a Huawei store - they're the same asthetic as an apple store with a ton more useful tech then an ipod, macbook and imac. If you cannot tell the difference between the design aesthetic of an Apple store and a Huawei one I will heavily discount your taste as a guide to my I own. I’ve only been to Huawei stores in China, perhaps it’s different elsewhere. The tables are plastic fake wood. The stores smell…

Offgasing is common in brand new stores, even Apple ones.

Re: Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips

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Post by mixmastamyk »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #19
simonsarris wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

moral relativism across space conjoined with moral absolutism across time is a silly combination

I don't actually have any idea what you are saying.

Translation: comparing apples and oranges.

Re: Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips

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Post by siavosh »

onepointsixC wrote: post #32

Articles whose content contradict their headlines are rather quite frustrating. The title is "Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips" But the article itself states: "While Huawei hasn’t stopped using American chips entirely, it has reduced its reliance on U.S. suppliers or eliminated U.S. chips in phones launched since May" And it's graph shows significant usage of US chips. I'm sure Huawei is tryi…

I’m sure a lot of this will be up for friendly discussions in the next bilateral trade call.

Re: Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips

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Post by monocasa »

onepointsixC wrote: post #20
deathanatos wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could someone actually vote with their wallet here and buy an American made — not assembled — phone? (I'm under the impression that the best case is that the parts are fabricated in China and assembled in the US, e.g., Apple phones.)

You have it backward, the parts themselves are usually created in Fab's outside of China while they are assembled (most labor-intensive process) in China. The whole article is about how Huawei is extremely dependent on components outside of China but has shifted from mostly US chips to EU, Taiwanese, Japanese, and South Korean Chips.

The article seems to say that they're mainly shifting to HiSilicon, their in house chip design wing.

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Post by dx87 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #19
simonsarris wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

moral relativism across space conjoined with moral absolutism across time is a silly combination

I don't actually have any idea what you are saying.

They're saying that your comment is irrelevant because you're comparing current issues between the USA and China with issues between the USA and Native Americans in a completely different time period. Today's morals aren't the same as they were hundreds of years ago, so it doesn't make sense to excuse current IP theft in China by pointing out historical theft of land by the USA.

Re: Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips

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Post by monocasa »

papito wrote: post #30
periya wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve no dog in this race but I feel the selective outrage to Huawei and other chines tech companies hypocritical while America consumes more and more goods produced in China without batting an eye.

The problem also, is that tech companies in Russia and in China have no choice but to cooperate with the state and be part of espionage. This is not just about open and fair markets, yada yada. This is only "clean" in theory.

That's true of the US too. Lavabit got shut down for not being willing to cooperate with the state and be a part of espionage.

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Post by pbourke »

takeda wrote: post #13
rootsudo wrote: post #4

I checked out a Huawei store - they're the same asthetic as an apple store with a ton more useful tech then an ipod, macbook and imac. The phones were impressive and very affordable. We're talking $200-300 for 6gb ram devices, 128gb storage, etc. Google, Apple are right to be worried.

Google and Apple are just milking it. Smart phones were introduced a decade ago. Flagship phones costed then around $500, now we got to the point that they costing $1,000+ like if mass producing wouldn't cut the cost down. On top of that making a battery be non removable and constantly over-volting the batteries to reduce their life. Ultimately phones become useless after 2 years, unless you replace batteries yoursel…

Another way of looking at things: Today’s phones are quite a bit more capable than the first generation of smartphones, and they only cost twice as much.

Re: Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips

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Post by martinpw »

onepointsixC wrote: post #32

Articles whose content contradict their headlines are rather quite frustrating. The title is "Huawei Manages to Make Smartphones Without American Chips" But the article itself states: "While Huawei hasn’t stopped using American chips entirely, it has reduced its reliance on U.S. suppliers or eliminated U.S. chips in phones launched since May" And it's graph shows significant usage of US chips. I'm sure Huawei is tryi…

That doesn't seem like a contradiction. The newer phones do not have American chips, which matches the headline that says they have managed to make phones without these chips.
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