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Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by tim333 »

d_burfoot wrote: post #257

I think it's strange that companies like France (and Germany, UK, Japan, etc) don't pass a law saying "Only French companies may service web search requests originating in France". Web search is basically going to be a monopoly, so they might as well try to ensure that the vast economic rents created by the monopoly go to one of their one companies. There is a very strong national security argument here: you don't wa…

We'd get annoyed by being unable to use Google or Bing as there are not many such local services. The governments might be able to extract some more of the rents by taxing Google et al more.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by pythux »

hu3 wrote: post #145
tpllaha wrote: post #135

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They have an autosuggest feature in the browser which shows search results as you type. Goes without saying that this requires a request per keystroke. If each request contained a unique user id, that would be concerning, but that is not the case. that the search query itself goes to their servers is just common sense, but those requests are anonymized. (Disclaimer: I'm a former employee)

Keystrokes + IP = NSA knows exactly what I'm typing. This "feature" should be off by default on any software that claims to be a privacy respecting alternative to Chrome.

If you are ok with some extra latency you can enable our “search via proxy” feature which proxies all queries and hide your IP. Maybe that is what you are looking for?

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by troubler »

bko wrote: post #73

Google's dominance is almost entirely due to the fact that its by far the best at search. I use ddg, but I use google search via !g about 25-50% of the time after a failed attempts. And 9 times out of 10 Google gives me exactly what I'm looking for. For instance: "the actor that plays the news guy in spiderman" ddg: Tom Holland (side bar) Spider-Man Homecoming (imdb) Tom Holland (wiki) Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Ver…

Also, lot of links are hidden in Google by DMCA requests. PR firms use it a lot to hide "bad" information about their clients. Some countries (e.g. Russia, China) bans everything that doesn't fit their propaganda. Google is useless now for many kind of politic-sensitive searches or for investigations.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by throwawayy98121 »

Sad that such a blatant ad makes it to front page of HN. Not sure how much I trust Google, but I trust these guys even less. The blog is an emotional rant. Not a single example of Google breaking anti trust laws. Translation - instead of competing by making a better product, we want our competitors to be taken out by government.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by FabHK »

Aeolun wrote: post #203
__ka wrote: post #200

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Many thanks for the feedback. We'll add the language autodetection for the interface and results this week. There is no profiling taking place. The country is just to select what index you would like results from - we'll try to make the UI better. This is still beta, so please keep on using it and we'd love to hear more feedback [beta@cliqz.com].

I second the need to do some form of detection for language. My browser tells webpages I want results in english (Accept-language header), and this can be safely used to detect what is most appropriate initially. If not that, then at least IP, considering I’m sitting in the US.

Please not IP. I hate it when stupid sites insist on switching to Latvian or whatever because that's my current VPN endpoint.

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Post by saagarjha »

Mirioron wrote: post #239
arrosenberg wrote: post #176

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https://medium.com/@teamwarren/heres-how-we-can-break-up-big... Fair point - there are certain cases where software platforms are too valuable and complex to break up, and should be regulated like utilities with rules for fair play. Amazon shouldn't be able to use it's marketplace data to monopolize entire categories, Google Search needs to be a public platform, with regulated rates for API access (which Google itsel…

> Google can keep Search, but Ads, Doubleclick, Analytics, Waze, GCP, Google Home - all of that needs to be broken up. > Some of the resulting businesses may have to update their model or may not remain profitable, but historically break-ups have resulted in an increase in value for the new businesses. All of this teaches one lesson: be more like Apple. Treat your customers poorly and massively overcharge them. Make…

> All of this teaches one lesson: be more like Apple. Treat your customers poorly and massively overcharge them. Make sure you are never the biggest in your field. Essentially, don't offer products that are too good for the price.

You’re wrong on both counts: Apple has its own share of potentially monopolistic behavior, and there are billions of people worldwide who disagree with you on how the company treats them.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by bagacrap »

david-gpu wrote: post #159
xixixao wrote: post #134

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My biggest problem is: How do you break up a software system? I understand how you break up a company that mines ore, produces steel, builds railways, runs transportation - those are all separable ventures that can negotiate contracts almost as easily as when they had a single owner. But the tech giants run a single system: Amazon in the delivery, FB in the social graph (DB), Google in the knowledge graph. Those woul…

Say Alphabet and its myriad of ad-supported services, such as Youtube. Instead of serving first-party ads, they would need to serve third-party ads, or charge their users, or a combination of the two (e.g. freemium model). The facebook conglomerate could similarly be broken into Instagram, Facebook, etc. Each would get a portion of their current ad business unit. In terms of software, each baby Facebook could get a f…

What does it mean to serve first party ads? The ads are (mostly) for third party products/companies. Newspapers also run ads for third party products. The only difference is that the ads/sales department at the NY Times is substantially less complex (and lucrative) than the same at Google.

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Post by buboard »

teawrecks wrote: post #273
sambull wrote: post #265

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Just type reddit after every query and you've got the same function

As long as you're ok with only searching reddit...

what else is there to search, honestly? 1000 headphone affiliate sites? "honest" reviews sponsored by sennheiser? Reddit at least provides generally-ungamed reactions and high density of opinions. Adding "reddit" is the default for any search that matters for me nowadays. I was just searching "game payment gateway" , reddit had the most informative comments.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by [deleted] »

KirinDave wrote: post #280
green1 wrote: post #219

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Aside from Holocaust denial, hate speech and libel how does the US differ from "Europe" in terms of free speech?

The US has what we might call "better" libel and slander laws than some actors in the EU and with the UK being a popular example of the most ridiculously bad laws historically.

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Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by green1 »

KirinDave wrote: post #280
green1 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from Holocaust denial, hate speech and libel how does the US differ from "Europe" in terms of free speech?

The US has what we might call "better" libel and slander laws than some actors in the EU and with the UK being a popular example of the most ridiculously bad laws historically.

>> Aside from [...] libel
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