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Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by buboard »

pcmaffey wrote: post #41

I want to see niche search engines: - a search engine for blogs - a search engine for dev questions - a search engine for shopping - a search engine for diy etc. Im really tired of sites trying to centralize and own this content. The key to decentralizing and empowering individuals to own their content is enabling distribution and discovery. New search engines are essential to the web we want.

google will neatly incorporate their results in their index and then people will go back to searching in google. I mean it happens with all major sites (stackoverflow, shopping results, diy/pinterest). Only twitter and facebook , who completely block their content from google get away. Perhaps we should take a lesson or two from them.

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Post by zozbot234 »

xixixao wrote: post #134
arrosenberg wrote: post #112

How do you design regulation that holds the giants accountable, doesn't impair smaller companies' ability to enter/innovate in the space, and isn't quickly corruptible by the (well-resourced) companies you are trying to control? We're better served by breaking them up and enforcing and strengthening the pro-competition laws on the books. The government has a pretty mixed record with regulating industry, and a far mor…

My biggest problem is: How do you break up a software system? I understand how you break up a company that mines ore, produces steel, builds railways, runs transportation - those are all separable ventures that can negotiate contracts almost as easily as when they had a single owner. But the tech giants run a single system: Amazon in the delivery, FB in the social graph (DB), Google in the knowledge graph. Those woul…

> How do you break up a software system?

Turn the relevant parts of it (the ones which are affected by network effects, or other barriers to entry) into an open platform that can be accessed on an equal basis. That's quite a bit easier than breaking up a mining company. For example, Android is already "broken up" from this POV, since the likes of Amazon can use AOSP to create their own Google-free platform, and applications written to run on AOSP will work on either version.

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Post by kkm »

aorth wrote: post #178

Hmm, cliqz.com is in the blocklists of several DNS servers I'm using, so are they the underdogs we need to cheer for against Google et al, or are they some shady spammers as determined by the community of adblock list maintainers?

Hi Aorth,

Disclaimer: I work for Cliqz.

We are aware of this and it's unfortunate, although the lists are not the main ones from community like Easylist, uBlock Origin etc. Cliqz does need to collect data to build it's search engine and other features. Even though we do with by privacy-by-design in mind and without collecting any PII (we will be sharing more details on the process on data collection in the blogposts scheduled for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday),still we do end up getting on such lists.

Of course, you don't need to trust what we say, all the code used for collecting data is open-source for transparency and auditing. Additionally, also happy to help setup network debugging incase you want check what exactly goes out. - https://github.com/cliqz-oss/browser-core

We are also willing to discuss with the maintainers of the list and explaining what and how data collection is done.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by shadowgovt »

changchuming wrote: post #105
shadowgovt wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I would think that undergoing a rebellion or civil war after which the form of governance changes marks the end of an empire, even if the territorial lines are not redrawn.

By that metric, the United States ended in 1861 and another country took its place. The 13th-15th amendments fundamentally changed the understanding of the state / federal power dynamic.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by 9588 »

xfitm3 wrote: post #90
bko wrote: post #73

Google's dominance is almost entirely due to the fact that its by far the best at search. I use ddg, but I use google search via !g about 25-50% of the time after a failed attempts. And 9 times out of 10 Google gives me exactly what I'm looking for. For instance: "the actor that plays the news guy in spiderman" ddg: Tom Holland (side bar) Spider-Man Homecoming (imdb) Tom Holland (wiki) Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Ver…

It is really good when you search for vague terms, but it seems to come at the cost of ruining precision technical search. Google also censors some results in controversial categories, where Bing/Yahoo return what I am looking for. I don't trust a search engine that censors entire categories of results. I am not an adwords user but anecdotes in another HN thread seems to affirm that Google is due to be disrupted: htt…

to give a fun example for those who didnt run into this silly agenda.

"free energy" use to produce countless results that now require extra keywords.

Under "free energy suppression" you find professionally crafted hatemongering. The actual list of claimants is huge, non of it is here. https://peswiki.com/directory:suppression#Wiki_2796702

"free energy device" also produces really crappy results compared to what it was.

It only seems like things argued not to exist may or must be scrubbed from seach results. Astrology wasn't scrubed nor was any religion. Everything has its history too!

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by solso »

streetcat1 wrote: post #6

So let's say that google fall and you become the new king. Will you allow another competitor in?

[[Disclaimer I work at Cliqz]] Your question is spot on, many of us ask ourselves the same question.

Whether Cliqz would become a bully like Google if successful or not, I believe it's impossible to answer.

But at least, we know, that the data we collect from our users to build the search engine is totally anonymous and is used only to build search and the browser.

So, in the case that Cliqz would turn evil, I would stop using it, knowing for a fact that there are no sessions about me on their data, none.

Someone on the thread mentioned fiduciary duties, true that companies must maximize profit, but that does not mean becoming a gear on global surveillance conglomerate.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by green1 »

antepodius wrote: post #165
kuschku wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even worse, likely in a country that won’t match your same values of “freedom” For many people in the world, the US already is a country that matches this exact description - what with toothless antitrust laws, anti-union actions being tolerated, and what the ICE camps look like is something we don't even have to talk about. Sure, China would be worse, but you should strive for more than just "the second worst deve…

The US is far less restricted than europe for freedom of speech, the major principle that matters when you're talking about information technology. In the case of search engine balkanisation (I'd be in favour of it), I'd think that eurosearch would, on average, be more censorious than amerifind.

Aside from Holocaust denial, hate speech and libel how does the US differ from "Europe" in terms of free speech?

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by aorth »

tehabe wrote: post #196

the problem is, I might have no reason to trust Google but I trust software like Cliqz even less, even though they tell me, that I should trust them (maybe because of this). Also Cliqz belongs to Hubert Burda Media, a company which I trust even less.

Right. I was really feeling the call to action in the blog post until I tried to visit beta.cliqz.com and realized it was blocked by the filters I'm using in uBlock Origin and by the DNS-level adblocking I have on my network. Hmmm.
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