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The world needs more search engines

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Re: The world needs more search engines

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This seems like a pretty blatant advertisement for their company's "Cliqz Browser". You should at least acknowledge your bias by being transparent enough to show you have a vested interest. It's really disingenuous otherwise, and makes it hard to take what you have to say at face value.

It seems more like an advertisement/justification/explanation for their search engine?

Re: The world needs more search engines

#62

>And empires must fall Why?

Generally speaking, empires are negative entities. The work because they took advantage of being first (or first to be successful) and used that advantage to absorb the wealth of those they conquer. While a lot of productive things can come out of such an environment, at its heart the empire is sustained by consumption. When there is less to conquer, there is less wealth available for the wealthy, but the desires of the powerful is to always increase. The wealthy use power to to start pulling wealth from the empire. The common identity of the empire is destroyed and the wealth is no longer available to defend the empire, so the empire is ultimately absorbed by the next identity that comes along.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#63

It is impressive what they built. The results are quite good! The UI shows innovative elements like trackers used on the page. I see two problems with their approach: 1. The product is not built with the 'grandma test' mindset. More sliders and widgets is not what your grandma wants in a search engine. This is why building a search engine is hard. You have to guess with very little information what the user wants and…

The article says:

> One could rightfully counter that Google has a good product. They even offer it for free.

But Google Ads are not free. If Search is the product, then advertisers are the customers, not users.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#65

It is impressive what they built. The results are quite good! The UI shows innovative elements like trackers used on the page. I see two problems with their approach: 1. The product is not built with the 'grandma test' mindset. More sliders and widgets is not what your grandma wants in a search engine. This is why building a search engine is hard. You have to guess with very little information what the user wants and…

The search results have gotten noticably worse in the last year.

When a Wikipedia/encyclopedia article is what I'm looking for, why is Google showing articles?

Wikipedia used to be the top result.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#66
So, what's different about cliqz? You promise not to keep logs, skew results, and sell data?

Also,

> With 93% of the search market, Google’s algorithms decide what becomes truth. Can you think of a TV channel with a 93% audience? Would you find it acceptable if there were only one TV channel?

Seems to me like Google is more analogous to the TV remote.

Re: The world needs more search engines

#68
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

making a search engine is not that hard or expensive, getting users to switch to it after decades of relying on and trusting google is

I would actually argue that making a good search engine with quality and responsiveness worldwide rivaling Google web search turns out to be an architecturally hard problem. A basic web crawler is not. A semantic web crawler and associated search engine capable of mapping real human input to useful information and dealing with the heterogeneous structure of data on the web, with low millisecond latency? Bing has been…

I agree. Bing seems to have mostly solved the crawling problem by now, but not the query relevancy problem.

But then again, there are also a lot of other problems Microsoft haven't been able to solve...

Re: The world needs more search engines

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I'm more than happy with DuckDuckGo. I would love more specialized search engines. Back in the day I've used several search engines depending the task i needed to perform, from Altavista to Yahoo to Google.

Beat me to it! Very happy here as well. I also love the bang short cuts. I am actually at the point where google is clearly inferior. I will grant that Google has a more intelligent indexing and ranking of Stack Overflow. However, DDG is making major progress there, and I rarely need to add !g Pro tip: with the bang shortcuts, you can add them anywhere in your query, it does not need to be in the beginning of your qu…

I’ve tried switching to ddg a number of times in the past. Every time the same thing happens:

“This result isn’t that great. I’m going to !g just this once”

Then, one week later I’m adding !g to literally every singe search so I switch back to google because what’s the point?

I really do hope to one day get off of google though.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Nah, two or more search engines all being the product of US big techs won't solve the problem. EU should have its own search engine. They should subsidize this effort and have Google pay for it.

They should focus on building a search index and then license that to European search engine startups. That's the capital intensive part that requires you to build datacenters next to power plants, etc. and where government money will even out the competitive playing field.

It will also help insofar as site owners will be less inclined to block "EUROPEAN SEARCH INDEX CRAWLER", just as they're less inclined to block google, despite being inclined to block "small time search index".

The creative, non-capital intensive part where having a diverse ecosystem will help the most is building a layer on top of the index to actually find stuff - e.g. a bit like how duckduckgo is built atop bing's index.

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