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Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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It's well known in business that ads are generally dubious at best and likely mostly a fraud. Unfortunately, there isn't an alternative than doing all the work in-house. And, if you're good enough to do it in-house to make it a business, you'll easily figure out that you can cheat other people. IMHO, ads should be treated as a national resource with open accounting and a non-profit goal. This would instantly force co…

Honestly, everything after your first sentence is completely incoherent. I'll stick to the first sentence. >It's well known in business that ads are generally dubious at best and likely mostly a fraud. You're using the phrase "it's well known" in an attempt to support a consensus that you completely fabricated. I spend over $100,000 every year on digital advertising, and I can assure you there is a very measurable re…

I have worked for a company that spent a multiple of your amount in a single day on a PPC advertising.

The fact that it works for you doesn’t mean that if that industry wasn’t as monopolised and unregulated you wouldn’t pay 1/10th of what you paid for the same.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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> if you set a budget of 100 dollars per day, Google can, and most likely, will, spend 200 dollars in short campaign per day. How is this possible? It sounds like a bug, but it's probably not, so what's their justification? Launching an ad campaign feels like rocket science now mixed with a good amount of woodoo magic. 80% down the drain by default? That's a number I could believe, but freaks me out how to market my…

I wouldn't use the word likely. It might be because of who your target group is etc and I therefore have another experience. But yes, it does happen. The way it works is that Google allow themself to spend up to 2x your daily budget. If they exceed your daily x2, you'll be credited any overcharged amount. Eg. Your daily budget is $200 and they spend $420, you’ll get a $20 credit. Then there is the monthly limit, whic…

what's the point of that? knowing that, why wouldn't i just set the budget to $50 and avoid the problem that way?

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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The problem with this kind of accounting is that it doesn't consider whether the ad was really necessary to make a sale in the first place. With a lot of brand keyword advertising, companies are paying for people to click an ad when they were already looking for your website anyway. So spending $3 on that customer is not a $27 profit but rather a $3 loss....

While buying your product name (or your competitor) is sometimes the case, this isn't the main source of volume in your pipeline. And it's still a $27 profit, even if it is possible you could have saved money. Most of the time a well-optimised PPC pipe looks for specific (non-brand) keywords and buys them, not just the product name.

While I agree that ads often are very effective, no it is just a $3 cost in some cases. Your ads can cannibalize on tge revenue from other, possibly cheaper, channels.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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So glad I'm not involved in PPC anymore. We used to catch junk clicks all the time, from many different countries. One company I worked with was local and wanted very targeted local clicks. Nothing I could do could stop clicks from other states and countries, which were useless to them. Don't get me started about Twitter advertsing. Want some followers for your business? Twitter will gladly send you tons of obviously…

The cruft is getting worse as Google takes away control from managers and turns it over to AI. It's like how exact match no longer means exact match.

This.

And in addition they no longer show average position metric (1) which increases barrier to entry, they now only show impression share.

(1) https://www.practicalecommerce.com/say-goodbye-to-average-po...

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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> if you set a budget of 100 dollars per day, Google can, and most likely, will, spend 200 dollars in short campaign per day. How is this possible? It sounds like a bug, but it's probably not, so what's their justification? Launching an ad campaign feels like rocket science now mixed with a good amount of woodoo magic. 80% down the drain by default? That's a number I could believe, but freaks me out how to market my…

I wouldn't use the word likely. It might be because of who your target group is etc and I therefore have another experience. But yes, it does happen. The way it works is that Google allow themself to spend up to 2x your daily budget. If they exceed your daily x2, you'll be credited any overcharged amount. Eg. Your daily budget is $200 and they spend $420, you’ll get a $20 credit. Then there is the monthly limit, whic…

So basically it sounds like the "budget" is actually more of a "target spend", that they will try to approximately hit in the short run, and hit very accurately on average over a month.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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I don't think it was supposed to be an endorsement.

If I could pay just 70$ per customer bringing in 1000+$, I would spend all I could and borrow heavily to run those ads. From a business perspective, it's a great endorsement.

In this case they were selling skilled labor though so at some point their capacity would be reached. I'd guess that's why they only spent $15 a day.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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post #142

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I wouldn't use the word likely. It might be because of who your target group is etc and I therefore have another experience. But yes, it does happen. The way it works is that Google allow themself to spend up to 2x your daily budget. If they exceed your daily x2, you'll be credited any overcharged amount. Eg. Your daily budget is $200 and they spend $420, you’ll get a $20 credit. Then there is the monthly limit, whic…

what's the point of that? knowing that, why wouldn't i just set the budget to $50 and avoid the problem that way?

Most likely the algorithms that chooses whose ad gets shown are optimized to not have to look up each persons spend for that day, as syncing that between all servers on every page request would be more expensive than all other steps combined.

I'm not sure how they could let you overrun by several times your budget for a day however, syncing these every hour shouldn't be a problem.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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As I understand it the reasoning given tends to be that ad auctions happen extremely quickly, and therefore too quickly to check some single source of truth for your current budget. Therefore, the budget is only "eventually consistent" - i.e. at the end of the campaign or after a day or so, the number you're being charged is accurate. However during the campaign itself it's not possible to guarantee that things won't…

I'm pretty sure fixing bugs that make money is on the very bottom of the list of priorities....

Back when I was in the ads org, there was no month without a big important future launch, that was supposed to make us make less money in the short term.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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Oh yes, those baby clicks on YouTube. Annyoing as hell. Stay away from broad affinity / in-market groups or you'll end up spending 20%-40% of your budget on channels for toddlers. By time though you'll build up a nice list that you can exclude, but it's going to cost you in the start.

This killed my budget on a display campaign I setup last year and there seems to be no easy way to mass exclude these channels. I even tried setting the content of my ads as not family friendly but still found this didn’t solve the problem for retargeting campaigns.

That is exactly why i dont use display. Eventually you can set reach with frequency set to 1 and lowest cost per view possible. And each our ban all junk. There is a lots of it, so it is impossible to remove all. But after two, three days, you get a nice list of websites where actually you want to display ads. Than you can show ads only on these pages.

Other way is to use keyword setting. Not as topic or observation, but page containing a keyword. With good set of keywords it is possible to rule out baby clicks

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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what's the point of that? knowing that, why wouldn't i just set the budget to $50 and avoid the problem that way?

Most likely the algorithms that chooses whose ad gets shown are optimized to not have to look up each persons spend for that day, as syncing that between all servers on every page request would be more expensive than all other steps combined. I'm not sure how they could let you overrun by several times your budget for a day however, syncing these every hour shouldn't be a problem.

I have explained it in other comment above. Its not technical issue. Its by design
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