As always, buried under the platform hate and apologists from both sides, the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle.
Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
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Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
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Why would potential employees take this negatively? This is exactly the type of thing I'd love to work on. Give me opt-in to your web browsing characteristics, and let me optimize your searches. Opt-in is the key. I'm certainly an odd one here, but I'm more inclined to use the Bing toolbar due to this, although the perf cost is still too high to use any toolbar, IMO. What would be nice is if the browsers had an open…
Because if Bing has to rely on Google Search's solutions to problems it should itself be able to solve, that implies it's inferior technology.
Yes it would imply that, if that were indeed what was going on.
Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would potential employees take this negatively? This is exactly the type of thing I'd love to work on. Give me opt-in to your web browsing characteristics, and let me optimize your searches. Opt-in is the key. I'm certainly an odd one here, but I'm more inclined to use the Bing toolbar due to this, although the perf cost is still too high to use any toolbar, IMO. What would be nice is if the browsers had an open…
Because if Bing has to rely on Google Search's solutions to problems it should itself be able to solve, that implies it's inferior technology.
"rely"? It's using customer behavior as a signal. Someone typing into a search box and clicking a link is a pretty good signal, regardless of where the search happens.
This only implies inferior technology if this is the only signal you have in determining relevance, but clearly they have tons of them.
The fact that they're trying to capture the totality of the user experience is a very good thing (again with opt-in). Search relevance hasn't progressed as it should. But I think if they could use my web browsing habits it would increase a fair bit.
And lastly, Bing and Google are near parity, but not identical. I don't think anyone is under any allusions that neither engine could learn a thing or two from the other.
It's not about inferior or not, but trying to get better.
Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
moreover, Clinton's statement was an outright lie, not an evasion. And it didn't seem to hurt his approval ratings. The analogy makes no sense.
Apparently his justification was that he didn't consider what happened to have been "sexual relations," because he hadn't been what one might call an active participant. The far extreme of evasion, certainly, but the narrowness of his definition of "sexual relationships" seems in the same ballpark as the narrowness of Microsoft's definition of "copy."
I think Clinton's actions were well within the common-language definition of "sexual relations". I don't think the Google "experiments" showed anything about Bing's behavior that falls within the common-language definition of "copy".
Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
#35I believe Ben Bradlee would call that a "non-denial denial".
Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
#36The statements by the Microsoft people remind me of "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." They don't seem to realize that ordinary consumers don't care about this, and that the people who do care (e.g. investors, potential employees) are smart enough that these evasions just make the problem worse.
Why would potential employees take this negatively? This is exactly the type of thing I'd love to work on. Give me opt-in to your web browsing characteristics, and let me optimize your searches. Opt-in is the key. I'm certainly an odd one here, but I'm more inclined to use the Bing toolbar due to this, although the perf cost is still too high to use any toolbar, IMO. What would be nice is if the browsers had an open…
Most people want to work in a company that innovates.
This isn't innovation. Any fool can write something that copies data from a competitor.
Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
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Because if Bing has to rely on Google Search's solutions to problems it should itself be able to solve, that implies it's inferior technology.
Problems like returning meaningful results for "hiybbprqag"?
No, problems like returning meaningful results for "torsoraphy". See the first example that is provided in Danny Sullivan's post.
Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
#38This remains as relevant as ever...
"Bad artists copy. Good artists steal." -Picasso
Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
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Why would potential employees take this negatively? This is exactly the type of thing I'd love to work on. Give me opt-in to your web browsing characteristics, and let me optimize your searches. Opt-in is the key. I'm certainly an odd one here, but I'm more inclined to use the Bing toolbar due to this, although the perf cost is still too high to use any toolbar, IMO. What would be nice is if the browsers had an open…
Most people want to work in a company that innovates. This isn't innovation. Any fool can write something that copies data from a competitor.
Like how Google copies the titles of web pages and snippets and puts them in search results?
Ahh... the innovation is not in the "content", but how the content is determined. Google crawls the web, copying content, creates and index, and a sophisticated formula for determining relevance of search.
MS has innovated by taking this one step further by saying, "if you opt-in we'll use your behavior as part of our index and relevance metric". So they no more copied from Google than Google copies from CNN. But in the same way Google has created value from mined data, Bing has created value from mined opt-in user behavior. That's the innovation.
If one can't see that, I think most of these places would do a "no hire" in any case.
Re: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most people want to work in a company that innovates. This isn't innovation. Any fool can write something that copies data from a competitor.
Like how Google copies the titles of web pages and snippets and puts them in search results? Ahh... the innovation is not in the "content", but how the content is determined. Google crawls the web, copying content, creates and index, and a sophisticated formula for determining relevance of search. MS has innovated by taking this one step further by saying, "if you opt-in we'll use your behavior as part of our index a…
With that logic you should definitely work at MS. It'd be a perfect fit.