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Many elementary teachers don’t understand math, and it makes them anxious

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Re: Many elementary teachers don’t understand math, and it makes them anxious

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I still don't know why long-division works. I don't think I even remember how to do it as an adult. I've always had a very intuitive grasp of math, which meant I excelled at solving things in my head but struggled with (and resented) having to show my work in the arbitrary algorithms we were taught. I understand division despite my education. They really should try to come up with algorithms that are more intuitively…

My parents invented a simplified division algorithm so they could teach me the four basic arithmetic operations by third grade, and it was so much easier than long division that I could never remember how to do things the conventional way. I just pretended to follow the teachers' instructions for the next few years. (All these methods had the same asymptotic complexity. Mine was slower by a small constant factor; on…

I repeatedly got in trouble for not showing my work in the format they wanted, whether because of intuitive leaps or because of tricks I came up with myself.

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I still don't know why long-division works. I don't think I even remember how to do it as an adult. I've always had a very intuitive grasp of math, which meant I excelled at solving things in my head but struggled with (and resented) having to show my work in the arbitrary algorithms we were taught. I understand division despite my education. They really should try to come up with algorithms that are more intuitively…

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My parents invented a simplified division algorithm so they could teach me the four basic arithmetic operations by third grade, and it was so much easier than long division that I could never remember how to do things the conventional way. I just pretended to follow the teachers' instructions for the next few years. (All these methods had the same asymptotic complexity. Mine was slower by a small constant factor; on…

My mom got in trouble with the teacher for doing that kind of thing with me.

Your mom didn't get in trouble she just exposed something that the people with PhDs in Education don't want exposed.

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On the flipside, I was in a Calculus lecture at uni and turned to the girl next to me who was crying. I asked her if she was ok, and she said she didn't understand why she had to sit in the lecture learning Laplace transforms when she "only wanted to be a primary school teacher". From the sounds of it, it was a prerequisite? Edit: Oh :) I just worked it out - I was taught to fold the subtraction and carry right in on…

Seems unlikely, though it may vary from one country to another. Here in the states, you would probably need to take a year of math, but there are levels of math "below" calculus that you can take to get a K-12 general education certificate.

Also in the states, engineering students ask the same question about Laplace transforms. ;-)

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I still don't know why long-division works. I don't think I even remember how to do it as an adult. I've always had a very intuitive grasp of math, which meant I excelled at solving things in my head but struggled with (and resented) having to show my work in the arbitrary algorithms we were taught. I understand division despite my education. They really should try to come up with algorithms that are more intuitively…

That’s a good point. You know what, it’s way easier to teach how to solve for x when y + x = 3x + 3 and y = 4 than it is to teach long division. As far as I could tell, that basic algebra is also much more important than long division, so why not teach it at an earlier age? The symbology of algebra is probably great for developing minds.

Just show long division for “proofs” while introducing the concept of division, and let kids use a calculator for division after that (supplemented with calculator-free drills). That way there will be more lesson time for advanced topics. Same thing with long multiplication. Show the proofs using long multiplication, then have kids do progressively harder multiplication drills where all the math is done in their head. In fact, kids might grok first principles better that way.

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I still don't know why long-division works. I don't think I even remember how to do it as an adult. I've always had a very intuitive grasp of math, which meant I excelled at solving things in my head but struggled with (and resented) having to show my work in the arbitrary algorithms we were taught. I understand division despite my education. They really should try to come up with algorithms that are more intuitively…

I don't understand why long division would be a mystery. It's just repeated subtraction - you are finding how many times you can subtract the divisor from the dividend, in a systematic way.

It's almost never explained with such lucidity. If you find a hundred people who can perform long division, I would be surprised if twenty of them have any idea how it works.

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I still don't know why long-division works. I don't think I even remember how to do it as an adult. I've always had a very intuitive grasp of math, which meant I excelled at solving things in my head but struggled with (and resented) having to show my work in the arbitrary algorithms we were taught. I understand division despite my education. They really should try to come up with algorithms that are more intuitively…

I don't understand why long division would be a mystery. It's just repeated subtraction - you are finding how many times you can subtract the divisor from the dividend, in a systematic way.

It wasn't until I learned about for-loops that I started thinking of multiplication as repeated addition and division as repeated subtraction. Before then I thought purely in terms of geometry.

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I still don't know why long-division works. I don't think I even remember how to do it as an adult. I've always had a very intuitive grasp of math, which meant I excelled at solving things in my head but struggled with (and resented) having to show my work in the arbitrary algorithms we were taught. I understand division despite my education. They really should try to come up with algorithms that are more intuitively…

I don't understand why long division would be a mystery. It's just repeated subtraction - you are finding how many times you can subtract the divisor from the dividend, in a systematic way.

Because the algorithm is so astronomically complicated that people can’t see any pattern or reason in it anymore and it becomes an opaque mystery.

I have a PhD in computer science but I cannot understand long division.

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I still don't know why long-division works. I don't think I even remember how to do it as an adult. I've always had a very intuitive grasp of math, which meant I excelled at solving things in my head but struggled with (and resented) having to show my work in the arbitrary algorithms we were taught. I understand division despite my education. They really should try to come up with algorithms that are more intuitively…

You should probably read about it as an adult:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_division

Children are mostly idiots. Education is the process of painfully breaking them out of their idiocy.

Bonus points if you implement a long division algorithm that works on strings in your favorite language.

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