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Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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It seems logical that the chance of you buying their chicken is much lower than someone actually in the US. Why should they pay?

My guess would be that you're making the assumption that I'm looking to buy chicken. It might be the case that someone is just researching "US chicken market"?

And why would most chicken ad publishers want to show ads to those people? I imagine most of those publishers are selling chicken, not information about the US chicken market.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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This type of behavior allows for a known ad arbitrage strategy. Bing’s PPC network, for instance, use to not have the same geo coverage as AdWords, and when they received traffic from a geo they weren’t serving ads in they would send the search to their US ad network. The strategy then is 1. Buy AdWords ads in countries out of Bing’s coverage, 2. Send these clicks to a page serving your Bing feed’s ads for same/simil…

But how much is your conversion rate for the transferred users. It is not like it is 100%. If it is 5%, you'll need x20 times the CPC to break-even.

no, because the Google ads would be served in low CPM countries (eg Turkey) whilst the Bing ads would be served as if the user was from the US (high CPM).

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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If I am in Turkey and I google “chicken USA”, I should get shown chicken ads from the USA. And when I click, those chicken producers should pay.

There’s a difference between publishing ads for a product that is related to US chicken and publishing ads in the US for chicken.

I believe it’s clear in the Google publisher dashboard that you are targeting your ads to appear to people in the US, not that your product itself is relevant to the topic of the United States.

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Their whole ad empire is desperate for a massive audit. Google had to be sued to deliver a $400,000 refund they owed but later claimed couldn't be delivered, claiming 3rd parties had been paid the funds when it was their own platforms. It turned out Google had accidentally kept $75 million. https://marketingland.com/class-action-lawsuit-accuses-googl...

As someone who has adblocked everything since my teenage years, the whole ad industry seems to be making orders of magnitude more money than it should. I just don't understand how anyone comes to buy things shown in ads. Are ads really effective? I don't buy advertised products. Do we really trust ad tech accounting? They've been caught inflating numbers over and over again. The whole house of cards seems like it cou…

I think most marketers are aware that a lot (maybe half) of clicks are bots/fraud.

At the end of the day, if your ROAS is good, you don't care that much.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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So glad I'm not involved in PPC anymore. We used to catch junk clicks all the time, from many different countries. One company I worked with was local and wanted very targeted local clicks. Nothing I could do could stop clicks from other states and countries, which were useless to them.

Don't get me started about Twitter advertsing. Want some followers for your business? Twitter will gladly send you tons of obviously fake profiles as soon as you get too many impressions without a click. Like profiles without real pictures and timelines consisting only of retweets.

You have to tolerate an accepted amount of cruft with any PPC campaign.

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Being a SWE on Ads gave him an inclination to use Google products?!

Honestly I think this highlights how divorced eng is from real world usage, otherwise he'd know this shit happens. every.damn.day.

ad tech is a house of cards and makes me reconsider working at Google every day.

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Their whole ad empire is desperate for a massive audit. Google had to be sued to deliver a $400,000 refund they owed but later claimed couldn't be delivered, claiming 3rd parties had been paid the funds when it was their own platforms. It turned out Google had accidentally kept $75 million. https://marketingland.com/class-action-lawsuit-accuses-googl...

As someone who has adblocked everything since my teenage years, the whole ad industry seems to be making orders of magnitude more money than it should. I just don't understand how anyone comes to buy things shown in ads. Are ads really effective? I don't buy advertised products. Do we really trust ad tech accounting? They've been caught inflating numbers over and over again. The whole house of cards seems like it cou…

If Google’s ad business dries up, what do you think they will pivot to? It scares me to think about what a desperate company with that much data would do.

Re: Google AdWords charged me for clicks in Istanbul while location-targeting the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their whole ad empire is desperate for a massive audit. Google had to be sued to deliver a $400,000 refund they owed but later claimed couldn't be delivered, claiming 3rd parties had been paid the funds when it was their own platforms. It turned out Google had accidentally kept $75 million. https://marketingland.com/class-action-lawsuit-accuses-googl...

As someone who has adblocked everything since my teenage years, the whole ad industry seems to be making orders of magnitude more money than it should. I just don't understand how anyone comes to buy things shown in ads. Are ads really effective? I don't buy advertised products. Do we really trust ad tech accounting? They've been caught inflating numbers over and over again. The whole house of cards seems like it cou…

Yes. As an advertiser, who traces each ad, I can say that advertising has demonstrably made me thousands upon thousands of dollars.

However, 80% of ads are trash peddled by blind men leading blind men.

There are very specific advertising techniques that work consistently, but most "marketing types" optimize for flashy artistic ads that have literally ZERO selling power.

In fact, in some studies, ads actually REDUCE sales -- by, for example -- accidentally highlighting something that is an unexpected turn off to customers.

But, the problem is, most companies don't trace their ads. And that's why overwhelmingly a lot of advertising money is wasted.

But this state of affairs has been going on since the 60's.

So I wouldn't underestimate the number of gullible humans to keep paying for advertising.

As long as you have eyeballs you'll probably always have an excess of ad spend.

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