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The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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This reads like a commercial, but I'm not going to downvote it. I read the book and liked it, along with about a hundred other books on culture over the years. There is a similar pattern: a problem, an old way of doing things, a hero, a change, and a beautiful sunset with our hero riding off. I think there are really, really good things in these kinds of books, especially if you identify with the problem and hero. At…

> then a slow die-off until the next book. I'm curious if you think that it's actually possible for a book (or perhaps more generally, a school of thought) to actually break out of the cycle, or whether it's just the natural order of these sorts of things. What I mean is, maybe what we get from these sorts of "self-help" pieces of literature/philosophies/whatever is less like a mantra that's one and done, and more li…

Like you describe, I just kept sucking it all in, consuming as much as I could. I have self-taught through a few of these subjects. I don't have an answer for you, but I have an answer for me. Perhaps sharing my answer might help you too. I hope so.

These are unsolved problems, that's why the material keeps getting produced. I think if you can find inspiration or a good "nutritional meal" to last for a while, it's a good thing. If nothing else, it serves to motivate. That's a big plus.

I'm pretty dense and hard-headed, so I have the hand-grenade theory of teaching myself: I just keep lobbing book-after-book into my own ignorance over time until I make progress. The vast majority of my attacks on my own personal ignorance are ineffective in the long run, but you know what? Little pieces here and there tend to stick. Maybe nobody's said it before or maybe it just takes the right author in the right context to get to me. I suspect the latter. After enough pieces stick, I can start actually working the problem of making myself better.

People who want to help in areas like this (unsolved domains) will BS one another in a heartbeat. I suspect that it's all so contextual to each of us we're just not aware of what we're doing. I don't know. But it means that personal recommendations of material should make you wary, especially if they come with heavily-laden emotional terms. ("Fight the evil corporate management structure!" or something like that) Like an organist that rests on the pedals too much, you get a long ways with books like this by making them emotional. Once again, motivation is great. If that's all you get, that's still a win for many.

So now we get to the heart of it. The real problem is coming up with evaluation criteria. Everything is great until there's a feedback loop and a way to fail, so your long-term job in trying to learn is setting up faster feedback loops and clear criteria to indicate success or failure. From there you can begin sorting out the "good" parts of the material from the fluff.

But that's just me. Until I had a good, solid way of evaluating whether something failed, a criteria that could point me to consuming smarter the next time, I was just going meal-to-meal.

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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To some extent, I'm no longer curious about "leadership" ideas about organisational culture.

I understand that culture counts for a lot, but modern organisational cultures are getting complaints that "leadership" is not going to solve at scale.

Maybe motivation/attitudes can be improved and a naval hierarchy can work better, but this is not the typical issue in corporate culture.

I'm curious about structural answers. A lot of culture comes down to how success and failure work. If a company culture is bad at risk-taking and internal entrepreneurship, a "culture of openness" can't fix it.

To get genuinely failure tolerant and opportunity seeking, organisations need to structure for successes and failures.

How are resources really allocated in the company? How are successes and failures really determined and what are the real ramifications.

So... (a) organisations need some formal/mechanical processes governing the pertinent decisions: resources and goals. Formal processes can be examined more honestly and biased to (or against) risk.

(b) If you really opportunity-seeking, risk taking culture... then you need "money-where-mouth-is" mechanics. It doesn't need to be fully "market-based," but someone needs to be throwing themselves behind opportunities because they think that they'll be successful.

The problem that runs through both Google (eg) and the naval ship is a culture of "do enough, and no more." The solution is usually to raise the "enough" bar somehow... motivation, discipline. That works when what you want from employ/organisations is "enough."

If you want more than enough, I think the structure needs to change.

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like books which are sort of lessons within a biography format. How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big: Kind of the Story of My Life (Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert) also fits this description.

Why is this being downvoted? Did Scott Adams get cancelled or something?

Maybe explain how it fits. All the books I mentioned were written about these people running or being placed at a high level in these organizations and making decisions which had a substantial impact on them.

Does Scott Adams cover this in his book or did he largely work solo?

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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This book explained a lot about a boss of mine. Ex-military, tried to run our department like a battalion, took pride in "battlefield repairs" of code, never let anyone think for themselves or contribute.

Only communicating through superiors...Micromanaging at its best, it was an all-out terrible way of doing things.

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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“Culture can’t be broken, any more than complexity can be the cause of failure”. Am I in the minority thinking that “complexity is the cause of failure” may in fact be a useful and actionable statement? Start analyzing where complexity resides, cope with failures caused by inevitable complexity… Of course, qualifying the sources of unnecessary complexity would be even more helpful, but even merely pointing it out may…

The complete tweet was:

Culture can’t be broken, any more than complexity can be the cause of failure. Fucking get specific.

So you agree with its author.

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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post #48
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like books which are sort of lessons within a biography format. How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big: Kind of the Story of My Life (Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert) also fits this description.

Why is this being downvoted? Did Scott Adams get cancelled or something?

Adams has gone a bit nuts in recent years and has become quite a controversial figure. Like, Ive seen him in political flamewars on Twitter responding to criticism with pictures of his abs.

He was a little weird for a long time, but his divorce in 2014 kind of unmoored him.

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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post #52

To some extent, I'm no longer curious about "leadership" ideas about organisational culture. I understand that culture counts for a lot, but modern organisational cultures are getting complaints that "leadership" is not going to solve at scale. Maybe motivation/attitudes can be improved and a naval hierarchy can work better, but this is not the typical issue in corporate culture. I'm curious about structural answers.…

>I understand that culture counts for a lot, but modern organisational cultures are getting complaints that "leadership" is not going to solve at scale.

I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you - on the one hand, this statement seems wrong, but on the other hand, everything else you said makes a ton of sense to me.

Everyone seems so caught up by culture these days that they forget the other big part of the leadership battle: process. Nobody on HN likes to hear it. It's unsexy, and, to a creative type (like a designer, PM, or, to some extent, SW engineer), threatening.

At the end of the day, though, people don't scale. Processes do. I believe good leadership has a lot to do with setting up good processes.

Edit: maybe I'm wrong, but tons of companies humbleblog on HN about their brilliant cultures. Very few of them open the kimono on their processes. Largely, I think, because those are what really make their businesses money.

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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post #52

To some extent, I'm no longer curious about "leadership" ideas about organisational culture. I understand that culture counts for a lot, but modern organisational cultures are getting complaints that "leadership" is not going to solve at scale. Maybe motivation/attitudes can be improved and a naval hierarchy can work better, but this is not the typical issue in corporate culture. I'm curious about structural answers.…

>I understand that culture counts for a lot, but modern organisational cultures are getting complaints that "leadership" is not going to solve at scale. I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you - on the one hand, this statement seems wrong, but on the other hand, everything else you said makes a ton of sense to me. Everyone seems so caught up by culture these days that they forget the other big part of the leader…

Lord yes. It's both. It's very much both.

Small companies tend to have everyone working on the same thing. You might have a marketer, a couple engineers, etc, but they all care about the same thing.

As you grow, you silo. You have a marketing department, and an engineering department. There starts being disconnects between each group; engineers don't know what marketers are doing, marketers don't know what engineers are doing.

As you get bigger still, you silo the silos. Now you have your client dev teams, maybe a couple backend dev teams, various marketing teams, some data analysis/engineering teams, etc. To get a change through, now, you have to get disparate teams, all with different criteria for success, pulling in the same direction.

A lot of the time companies notice that better culture helps. It surely does. If I care about the other teams, even for things whose success/failure does not impact me directly, it leads to better results.

But the core problem is one of process. It's also one of the things that these companies trying to be 'agile' have clearly missed; rather than creating a 'self-organizing team' by taking one dev from the client team, one dev from each backend team, a marketer, a data guy, etc etc, and building a team out of them, that is responsible for a feature (and it can be a somewhat ephemeral team, it just needs to be one who is responsible for the success/failure of something, and can truly own it), they've instead created "self-organizing teams" inside each silo, and then are left with trying to chart a path for a feature across all of them via project managers or similar, and it's both incredibly slow, and incredibly painful.

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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This reads like a commercial, but I'm not going to downvote it. I read the book and liked it, along with about a hundred other books on culture over the years. There is a similar pattern: a problem, an old way of doing things, a hero, a change, and a beautiful sunset with our hero riding off. I think there are really, really good things in these kinds of books, especially if you identify with the problem and hero. At…

> This reads like a commercial, but I'm not going to downvote it

Is it possible to downvote a submission? I thought you could only upvote and flag?

Re: The first non-bullshit book about culture I've read

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“Culture can’t be broken, any more than complexity can be the cause of failure”. Am I in the minority thinking that “complexity is the cause of failure” may in fact be a useful and actionable statement? Start analyzing where complexity resides, cope with failures caused by inevitable complexity… Of course, qualifying the sources of unnecessary complexity would be even more helpful, but even merely pointing it out may…

some authors try to distinguish complexity from .. hm.. "chaotic" ? in that, complex means a lot of working parts to form an action chain (or similar) .. contrast to other systems that are not knowable or repeatable, like actual economic systems, or an enterprise of humans doing a business function, including the considerations of humans

Engineers are often taught to simplify and clarify, for great result.. but not all systems are actually decomposable that way .. some schools of business management too..

So a moving, non-trivial, not-reproducible system of systems cannot be considered 'broken' because.. there is no substitute for it to test a fix

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