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Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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Bugs affecting its base functionality?

Hdmi-cec is a classic. The implementation on many TVs is riddled with bugs.

Gets disabled by me immediately. I use a well-configured Logitech Harmony remote to orchestrate the various devices, hence no need for HDMI-CEC, which it's implemented differently by anyone anyway (and they mostly don't even consider that "bugs").

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I had a very nice Sharp Aquos TV for a long time. One of the first reasonably priced 1080p 65" TVs. It had absolutely no "smart" features, which was perfectly fine with me. I have my TV hooked up to a home theatre system and have my devices (PS4/AppleTV/XB1/Nvidia Shield) hooked up to that. I recently upgraded to a LG 4K OLED TV. It's an absolutely gorgeous TV, but, I absolutely lament the "smart" features of this TV…

I just bought a LG OLED as well. This screen is amazingly good !

I connected it to the network in order to watch netflix, and unchecked all tracking and advertising related EULAs. I'm also running a pihole on my network, so most third party ads will be denied from reaching the TV.

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> I have about 400% more trust of Microsoft and Sony than I do of random smart tv manufacturers. It should be noted Sony's TVs are different than their game consoles in what they collect and do. They run a relatively clean version of Android TV except for "Samba TV", which is yet another piece of show-recognizing (known as ACR) analytics. However, you can apparently decline its privacy policy on initial setup and eve…

Perhaps it is time to wrap our TVs and other consumer electronics in faraday tape. I can't wait until my microwave tells the manufacturer how often I'm reheating my pizza.

The more likely course of action is your microwave refusing to work without internet connection, so that it can verify the DRM on your pizza, make sure you are using only the approved, overpriced pizzas.

Also, it will be sold to the public as "verifying that you are using the fresh and genuine product".

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In my opinion you should not use ANY of the smart features of a "smart" TV. Don't give it your wifi key and don't put it on your LAN. I have about 400% more trust of Microsoft and Sony than I do of random smart tv manufacturers. I also have a fairly high degree of confidence that the xbox one and PS4 software will remain up to date with security patches, and address critical issues quickly. I have no confidence for T…

Some will still try to connect to any open wifi and phone home.

I’ve seen that behavior only on the one model that I was analyzing. Still, I assume it’s industry wide and even applicable to every/any IOT device.

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> I have about 400% more trust of Microsoft and Sony than I do of random smart tv manufacturers. It should be noted Sony's TVs are different than their game consoles in what they collect and do. They run a relatively clean version of Android TV except for "Samba TV", which is yet another piece of show-recognizing (known as ACR) analytics. However, you can apparently decline its privacy policy on initial setup and eve…

>Even given all that, Sony TVs are probably still the tamest smart TVs out there. The article seems to say Vizio TVs are better for your privacy than other TVs. The article says Vizio TVs describe ARC in 100 words and people must select accept or decline. That page you linked to says >However, you can accept or decline Sony's Bravia privacy policy, as well as one for Samba TV, the ACR technology Sony uses. You have t…

FTC Vizio settlement: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2017/02/vizio...

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Has anyone successfully hacked any of these TVs to disable the smart features? I would pay some money for this kind of firmware patch on a future purchase. It seems crazy that the software is so terrible and yet nobody has found a way to disable it.

There are projects to replace/root/modify the OS, unfortunately they tend to be about older models and the manufacturers continue changing things and making access more difficult.

Examples:

https://wiki.samygo.tv/index.php?title=Main_Page

https://forum.xda-developers.com/web-os/general/rooting-webo...

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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> I have about 400% more trust of Microsoft and Sony than I do of random smart tv manufacturers. It should be noted Sony's TVs are different than their game consoles in what they collect and do. They run a relatively clean version of Android TV except for "Samba TV", which is yet another piece of show-recognizing (known as ACR) analytics. However, you can apparently decline its privacy policy on initial setup and eve…

My Sony Smart TV is crap and I will never buy another Sony TV. Yes it runs android. It's slow to respond to input. Sometimes when I'm guessing it needs to page out code it can take 5-30 seconds before u can actually use it. It's crashed in the middle of watching shows and I mean the TV is being used as a dumb tv with input from an external source and suddenly android reboots. It also covers the home screen with ads f…

I bought a Panasonic 1080P dumb TV a few years ago. Turns on instantly, no apps, no ads, no updates, no tracking. I have no idea what I'll do when it finally dies.

For streaming and playing media from my NAS I use an Nvidia SHIELD TV. It's based on the Tegra X1 so performance is on par with the Nintendo Switch. Really great bit of kit, and of course I can just chuck it out (or repurpose it as an emulator box) if it gets too annoying.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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> I have about 400% more trust of Microsoft and Sony than I do of random smart tv manufacturers. It should be noted Sony's TVs are different than their game consoles in what they collect and do. They run a relatively clean version of Android TV except for "Samba TV", which is yet another piece of show-recognizing (known as ACR) analytics. However, you can apparently decline its privacy policy on initial setup and eve…

>Even given all that, Sony TVs are probably still the tamest smart TVs out there. The article seems to say Vizio TVs are better for your privacy than other TVs. The article says Vizio TVs describe ARC in 100 words and people must select accept or decline. That page you linked to says >However, you can accept or decline Sony's Bravia privacy policy, as well as one for Samba TV, the ACR technology Sony uses. You have t…

Vizio is doing those things because the FTC is making them. (See @sologoub's comment) Before that they didn't even ask or tell you about it.

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Perhaps it is time to wrap our TVs and other consumer electronics in faraday tape. I can't wait until my microwave tells the manufacturer how often I'm reheating my pizza.

The more likely course of action is your microwave refusing to work without internet connection, so that it can verify the DRM on your pizza, make sure you are using only the approved, overpriced pizzas. Also, it will be sold to the public as "verifying that you are using the fresh and genuine product".

You joke, but we already have this type of mess with Keurig, Nespresso Vertuo and that Silicon Valley juicer whose name I forgot.
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