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Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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It's interesting to see people in the west often lauding Singapore for that and vilifying China if they do the same.

I've lived in Singapore for more than half of my life and met expats there from all walks of life. And I would tell you Singapore is very well integrated with western values, both in terms of the cultures and the social-political aspects of many things (other than weed and cocaine, etc; but you can certainly get your hand on some lsd if you know the right contacts). Anyway the point is that Singapore is very westerni…

What the western values in this case?

This is a legitimate question, not sure why the down votes.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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I'm Singaporean, and completely not surprised to see this appear on HN. As with many places, the situation in my country is a bit more nuanced than a simple "the ruling party has ruled the country since 1965". Civilisation is the surrender of varying degrees of civil liberty for security and safety, and over here we definitely surrender more degrees of civil liberty for the safety and security of our streets. As anot…

Genuinely asking. Do most of the population believe Singapore’s authoritarian government would stay benevolent??

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Should people be allowed to say and write lies in a "real" democracy?

How about a Department of Truth to censor all your ideas, posts and ideologies? That should prevent fake news, right?

Hey, I think I read about that in a book somewhere!

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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My prediction is that Facebook is going to resort to "this content is banned in your country" route. Only way to access this would be through VPN... if everybody in the country uses VPN, they govt would probably start copying the Great firewall of China.

It’s getting there: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Singa...

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Why am I not surprised that it is Singapore doing this. That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land. I have visited many times and have lots of friends there. Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses.

> Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable

that's because freedom of press and similar rights are a uniquely western phenomenon that are --- despite what droves of its proponents will tell you --- derived from christian values that didn't and don't exist anywhere else.

Many in the broader region don't care about freedom of press, while also being poorly paid and uncomfortable. No placation of masses needed.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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Why am I not surprised that it is Singapore doing this. That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land. I have visited many times and have lots of friends there. Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses.

> That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land.

This was my observation about Monaco too.

If people were poor and fighting for opportunities in that hamlet they would call it authoritarian. But since it isn't and is free from adversity it is viewed favorably (and the poor people can live across the street in France). Just a fascinating look into relative morality, or masquerading disdain of certain forms of government as a moral issue while ignoring others, as opposed to just the authoritarian nature of a particular government.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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I have a lateral question about Singapore. Everything I have read about the country says that it is one of the best in the world for business and, in particular, startups. Yet some of the commentary here leads me to believe there's a dark side to the reality of this nation. Anyone with first hand knowledge care to comment on this? I am puzzled because it so happens we might have to do some business in Singapore and a…

I've been living and working in Singapore for two years now, coming from the United States. I'm a libertarian who finds politics and economics in the US to be horribly broken, and while in principle I don't agree with authoritarianism or planned economies, I'm also of the mind that one cannot apply a single concept of government to every culture. That's a colonial mindset.

America's liberal tradition came from many, many factors over hundreds of years. By comparison, Singapore is still in its infancy. While I don't agree with everything I see here, the system does work.

All that said, I'm applying for permanent residency here, because when I look at what's happening in America, in either major party, I don't have much of a desire to return. At least the Singaporean government is much more honest about what it is. It's not perfect, by any means, and it's expensive to live here, but it's clean and safe, it has the world's best airport, and it is a great place to do business.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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I'm Singaporean, and completely not surprised to see this appear on HN. As with many places, the situation in my country is a bit more nuanced than a simple "the ruling party has ruled the country since 1965". Civilisation is the surrender of varying degrees of civil liberty for security and safety, and over here we definitely surrender more degrees of civil liberty for the safety and security of our streets. As anot…

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Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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I'm Singaporean, and completely not surprised to see this appear on HN. As with many places, the situation in my country is a bit more nuanced than a simple "the ruling party has ruled the country since 1965". Civilisation is the surrender of varying degrees of civil liberty for security and safety, and over here we definitely surrender more degrees of civil liberty for the safety and security of our streets. As anot…

Genuinely asking. Do most of the population believe Singapore’s authoritarian government would stay benevolent??

As an US expat living in SG, I would say yes.

Singapore is the first place where I actually began to question whether democracy was the absolute way. Democracy was how I was raised. Overall, I still believe it is the way long term, but what can you do when you have a single, unified government that cares for its people is simply amazing.

Safest in the world, hands down. This can be felt in every day life. I hold tables while I get my lunch with my cell phone. I've even dared it in public "hawker centers" a number of times. My friends have had stuff stolen, but that was in the bathroom where there's no "watchful eye". My kid can run/play freely and I only worry about her running into traffic.

A about 1-2 years ago, someone was stabbed to death in the central business district. It was the biggest headline for ages - murder of passion from father-in-law. That's it... nothing else. I don't think/worry about guns - ever.

"Hawker Centers" are basically food for the people. Each meal can be had for US$2-4. I live in public housing, HDB, and while that sounds weird - 70%+ is public housing. i.e. only PR or citizens may purchase (I can rent as an expat). This keeps the price of homes at a relatively reasonable amount. US$250k - US$600k. Housing is not perfect but it is way better than stateside problems.

There are dark sides, do not get me wrong (built on the backs of migrant workers who can never gain status - is just one. Black and Chinese built US but gained status eventually... migrants can never gain status here and continue to build this country), but they're not nearly as dark as others.

Is it worth it? I say if you are willing to submit yourself, it completely is.

Re: Singapore tells Facebook to correct post under new fake news law

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post #95

Why am I not surprised that it is Singapore doing this. That country is an authoritarian nanny state disguised as Disney Land. I have visited many times and have lots of friends there. Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable. They have truly figured out how to placate the masses.

> Nobody cares about freedom of the press because they are well paid and comfortable that's because freedom of press and similar rights are a uniquely western phenomenon that are --- despite what droves of its proponents will tell you --- derived from christian values that didn't and don't exist anywhere else. Many in the broader region don't care about freedom of press, while also being poorly paid and uncomfortable…

> derived from christian values

This is not quite correct. Christian values would be a strict theocracy with no freedom of the press.

Liberal values descend from a robust view of agency, eg humanism which is more or less incompatible with strict interpretations of Christianity. Compatible with deism though.

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