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Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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I use the PCWRT router, and it allows me to block the spying by blacklisting the relevant domains. https://www.pcwrt.com/2018/08/how-to-use-your-router-to-bloc...

Another good alternative (for those of us who home-brewed their own router) is pfBlockerNG, which is an optional module for pfSense. It can do everything that Pi-hole can do, and more.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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post #4

I stopped connecting my TVs to the internet when Samsung started pushing notification ads for GameFly on a (at the time) 3k dollar first gen 4K tv - and they lied and said no they’d never do that. They’ve all lost my trust.

In addition to push notifications, they kept pushing their TV+ app to the first position of my apps selector. I kept removing it. Then I just switched off internet access. Smart TVs are dumb.

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I had a very nice Sharp Aquos TV for a long time. One of the first reasonably priced 1080p 65" TVs. It had absolutely no "smart" features, which was perfectly fine with me. I have my TV hooked up to a home theatre system and have my devices (PS4/AppleTV/XB1/Nvidia Shield) hooked up to that. I recently upgraded to a LG 4K OLED TV. It's an absolutely gorgeous TV, but, I absolutely lament the "smart" features of this TV…

Which model is it?

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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I had a very nice Sharp Aquos TV for a long time. One of the first reasonably priced 1080p 65" TVs. It had absolutely no "smart" features, which was perfectly fine with me. I have my TV hooked up to a home theatre system and have my devices (PS4/AppleTV/XB1/Nvidia Shield) hooked up to that. I recently upgraded to a LG 4K OLED TV. It's an absolutely gorgeous TV, but, I absolutely lament the "smart" features of this TV…

I think we've reached the point where the only safe way of buying a TV is to buy a business conference room display or large screen monitor instead. Seems to be the only way to get something without all the dystopian crap.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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post #7

Surely this is a non-issue if you don’t connect the TV itself to the internet?

Also worth noting that with a lot of TVs, you can download firmware updates to a USB stick, then install them directly to the TV.

Occasionally the out-of-the-box firmware on TVs can perform poorly on certain input modes, so it's nice to have an option to get the latest patches without opening yourself up to tracking and ads.

That said, the idea of a TV needing patches is thoroughly unappealing.

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post #8

I use the PCWRT router, and it allows me to block the spying by blacklisting the relevant domains. https://www.pcwrt.com/2018/08/how-to-use-your-router-to-bloc...

At some point I wonder if we might not just start whitelisting domains instead. I think that it could be possible to design a UX that wouldn't be much of a hindrance to using your computer and phone on the same network. Eg any websites you deliberately visit get added to the whitelist, same with the other services you choose to use. The amount of mostly unintentional (by the user) data transfers is out of hand.

Actually, white listing is a better idea. You can white list with the PCWRT router too.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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I had a very nice Sharp Aquos TV for a long time. One of the first reasonably priced 1080p 65" TVs. It had absolutely no "smart" features, which was perfectly fine with me. I have my TV hooked up to a home theatre system and have my devices (PS4/AppleTV/XB1/Nvidia Shield) hooked up to that. I recently upgraded to a LG 4K OLED TV. It's an absolutely gorgeous TV, but, I absolutely lament the "smart" features of this TV…

I think we've reached the point where the only safe way of buying a TV is to buy a business conference room display or large screen monitor instead. Seems to be the only way to get something without all the dystopian crap.

But then you're losing all of the goodies for movies and games, such as proper color space or contrast. Usually the business TVs are anything but good for movies.

Re: Smart TVs like Samsung, LG and Roku are tracking everything

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any way to build something like this myself, e.g. using Raspberry Pi or DD-WRT supported router?

Google Pi Hole, it's mostly for ads and trackers, but someone probably has a list of "call home" domains, or you can add your own domains/hostnames that you want blocked

I believe the blocker just uses a dns server that returns a local IP address for bad domains that serve up a single pixel transparent in place of the ad, so there's a solution on pretty much every platform.

Pi-Hole has a nice GUI, but if you already have openwrt, dd-wrt or pfsense, you can likely just install packages.

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