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Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
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Re: Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
#92No surprise, as both DDG and Blekko disclose that they use Bing for long-tail queries, but it works at both of those engines, too: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=hiybbprqag http://duckduckgo.com/?q=mbzrxpgjys http://duckduckgo.com/?q=indoswiftjobinproduction http://blekko.com/ws/hiybbprqag http://blekko.com/ws/mbzrxpgjys http://blekko.com/ws/indoswiftjobinproduction
They shouldn't be in DDG. That's one of the pieces of intelligence we try to add on top. We try to not "correct" your query. Here's another example of a real search my wife did the other day that illustrates this point on both Google & Bing: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=suttle+renal vs. http://www.bing.com/search?q=suttle+renal vs. http://www.google.com/#&q=suttle+renal
Re: Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that Google appears to have an active program to monitor the results of search queries on Bing and to track Bing's page rankings and the ways in which they change over time in (How else is this more likely to have come to their attention?), they should hardly be shocked, shocked to find Microsoft doing something similar. [edit] I have always suspected that the real value of Bing for Microsoft is to prevent Goog…
... and feeding that data back into their own search results, rather than just using it for analysis to see how your competitors are performing? If I'm in the business of giving horse racing tips and I read your tips to see what your strike rate is compared to mine, that's one thing. If I start tipping the same horses as you, purely because you tipped them, that's quite another thing.
Microsoft isn't using strike rate data in the important sense which you imply - the strike rate for Google is advertising revenue. It's not as if Microsoft is collecting info on the advertisements displayed and then soliciting those advertisers to spend their dollars on Bing (at least that's not part of the allegations). I am pretty confident that Google feeds every bit of legally collected relevant data back into their search algorithms.
Re: Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
#94The real question should be why is Google not doing this. Bing seems to be learning from what results users choose and improving their results. Seems like a no brainer, unless i missed something. I also really like this for some reason. It's very ... gangster. Shows that bing is scrappy and willing to bend the rules. That being said, i will still continue using Google.
not sure why i'm being downvoted. if you don't agree leave a reply. it's very discouraging
Your comment begun with +1. It is now at -1. So of all the people that looked at it, some modded it, and of all those people, there are two more people who downmodded it than upmodded it. Two.
Right now the post has +186. So assuming that half of those people read your comment, we have something like 93 people who read your comment, and there are just two more downmods than upmods.
Unfortunately, HN shows people a comment's score before they read it, which skews results. People aren't objective, they tend to upmod comments that are already upmodded and downmod questions that are already negative.
So if you are unlucky and the first one or two people to read your comment are constipated, you get a negative result for not fault of your own. Bad luck, try again.
Please don't be discouraged. Try to be helpful and constructive and to present a point of view that others may have missed in the conversation. The upmods will eventually follow. Cast your seeds and let a thousand flowers bloom.
Re: Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
#95The biggest article surprise for me was Google's claim they don't use the toolbar or Chrome directly to improve search queries. I assumed measuring bounce rates and patterns in link graph traversal across the entire web was part of their raison d'etre, as with Google Analytics
Re: Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
#96Google scrapes websites to determine search results. Bing scrapes websites (Google) to determine search results. What's the problem?
Look at it like a math problem... Google takes all numbers and figures out the answer itself. Bing writes down the answer from Google's paper. They are hardly the same. Your comment is somewhat like saying "Hey, we're all writing down numbers"
This is not a good analogy. An academic environment has different strictures and norms than a business environment.
In a business environment, the relevant questions are:
1) does it break any laws? 2) is it profitable? 2b) is it consistent with the image MS wishes to project to its customers and/or regulatory overseers
One person's unfair competition is another's brilliant hack.
Re: Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
#97Since when has reverse engineering been cheating? If the article is correct, there still is no allegation that Google's algorithms have been used. I don't think Google is in much of any position to cry foul over any company using data mining to tailor search results.
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Re: Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
#98TL;DR
If Bing can't find it for you, it will google it for you.
Re: Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
#99They should have made one of the search terms "Agloe, New York"! [1]
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