Live data from Hacker News

Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

circleid.com

141–150 of 316 posts

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#141
The only thing I got out of that was "we want money." There's no real justification for what they did. What's worse, and also condescending, is the crap about taking Ethos at their word.

So let me get this straight; you typed out all these words to hide your real intentions (you want money) and we're now supposed to trust you vouching for a private equity firm? Please. Get the hell out of here. Put some more effort into your schemes.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#142
> Many of the current concerns about .org are premised on a presumption that prices will rise

No, they are based on the fact that it was clearly a backroom deal with no due process that would've NEVER happened if the seller wasn't closely associated with the buyer.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#143
I really don't like the internet and humanity in general for threads like this. Calling a particular person names like navie, idiot, gaslighter, corrupt, fool, greedy, insane, malicious, patsy, disingenuous, child, disgusting, unethical, etc, the way people in this thread have, is never a good thing.

It's really not cool when the target is a person. Receiving dozens of people angrily accusing you of evil is upsetting, and can lead to fear, anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts. I've seen people experience it. You may not care about this person's welfare, but you should, if you want to be an ethical human being.

It also doesn't help any idea you think you have, but it reinforces you emotionally to believe it, even on the really rare chance that you might not have expert information, and are just reacting to your limited understanding of a subject.

And it galvanizes opinions (your own, and of others) because of how the emotion and anger is shared by so many people. It makes you believe all the things people are saying, and you don't even stop to think critically. I know, because I too have decided to agree with the crowd here before when they dog-piled on others, only to find out the opinion everyone had (including my own) was pitifully inaccurate. I later wanted to provide some correction, but good luck fighting a mob when it wants to feel right.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#144
post #10

This author is just outright naive. >Even in the worst case, if Ethos considers dramatically increasing prices (which, to be clear, we do not expect them to do!), the Registry Agreement for .org requires a 6-month notice period during which domain owners can lock in a 10-year registration at pre-increase rates. This should seriously discourage Ethos from doing this, because it would take 10 years for the new high rat…

> This author is just outright naive.

No, it's you who is being naive. The author is a sly fucker who adeptly spins his atrocious sell-out.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#145
post #57
post #10

This author is just outright naive. >Even in the worst case, if Ethos considers dramatically increasing prices (which, to be clear, we do not expect them to do!), the Registry Agreement for .org requires a 6-month notice period during which domain owners can lock in a 10-year registration at pre-increase rates. This should seriously discourage Ethos from doing this, because it would take 10 years for the new high rat…

I think it's worse than naive. His two points are in impossible conflict. He wanted a pile of money for the Internet Society, enough to "secure that work's future". But the only way selling .org is worth a pile of money is if it gets extracted from nonprofits. With plenty of profits left over to feed the investors who put up the initial cash. If the Internet Society wanted to secure their future, they should have rai…

Help me understand what you mean by "worse than naive" here. Richard Barnes isn't going to see a dollar of this money and wouldn't need it anyways. I understand people disagreeing with him, but, despite being automatically disinclined to extend good faith to anything published at CircleID, I don't understand where anyone derives bad faith from this piece.

I thought it was tremendously useful, if only to understand what was in the minds of the people who unanimously voted to sell .ORG.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#146

IRS Form 13909 can be used to submit complaints about non-profit organizations to the IRS. Here are two pre-filled Form 13909's, one for ICANN and one for ISOC. Just print it out, add your personal information to both, and mail it to the address listed on the bottom of the form. https://yukari.sr.ht/dotorg-form-13909.pdf Alternatively, this file can be opened with LibreOffice Draw to make edits and prepare your docum…

>The Internet Society is tasked with protecting the interests of the internet names registry, among other things. They have removed price limits on “.org”,

It was ICANN which approved contract removing price limits, not Internet Society. (of course probably all of ICANN/ISOC/PIR/Ethos were involved in the deal, but anyway this statement is incorrect)

I wonder how effective these copy-pasted mass complaints to organizations/politicians/etc. are. It seems to be just waste of time, it's not that receiving same mail X times gives additional information?

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#147

The simplified timeline (as I understand it, willing to be corrected if I'm wrong); 1. PIR, or someone very close, seems to have lobbied to have price restriction of .org removed. My understanding is that PIR made the argument that they're a non-profit, they have no reason to raise pricing extortionately 2. This was passed, despite a large number of comments against the idea, Ethos was incorporated the following day…

> despite a large number of comments against the idea

Despite virtually ALL comments being against the idea.

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#148

> Make .org domain names "accessible and reasonably priced for all", including limiting price increases to no more than 10% per year This immediately stuck out to me as a really bad deal. Rising with inflation, somewhere between 1 and 4% per year, would essentially keep prices stable. This is tricky when selling internationally, but roughly possible. Rising by 10% each year is significantly faster than inflation, and…

[deleted]

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#149

IRS Form 13909 can be used to submit complaints about non-profit organizations to the IRS. Here are two pre-filled Form 13909's, one for ICANN and one for ISOC. Just print it out, add your personal information to both, and mail it to the address listed on the bottom of the form. https://yukari.sr.ht/dotorg-form-13909.pdf Alternatively, this file can be opened with LibreOffice Draw to make edits and prepare your docum…

PIR is abandoning its nonprofit status anyways, to become B corporation instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Interest_Registry

Re: Why I Voted to Sell .ORG

#150

IRS Form 13909 can be used to submit complaints about non-profit organizations to the IRS. Here are two pre-filled Form 13909's, one for ICANN and one for ISOC. Just print it out, add your personal information to both, and mail it to the address listed on the bottom of the form. https://yukari.sr.ht/dotorg-form-13909.pdf Alternatively, this file can be opened with LibreOffice Draw to make edits and prepare your docum…

>The Internet Society is tasked with protecting the interests of the internet names registry, among other things. They have removed price limits on “.org”, It was ICANN which approved contract removing price limits, not Internet Society. (of course probably all of ICANN/ISOC/PIR/Ethos were involved in the deal, but anyway this statement is incorrect) I wonder how effective these copy-pasted mass complaints to organiz…

The mass complaints work very well when backed by an organized effort to lobby, press attention, etc. There are people vulnerable to political and social pressure who make decisions based on this stuff, e.g. the CA attorney general (in the case of ICANN)
Post reply on HN