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India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

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Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

#21
Totally unrelated to the finance minister blaming increasing ride sharing usage to the slump in the Auto sector sales :) [1].

Really myopic. Yes Uber/Ola overcharge and don't pay the drivers enough, after enticing them with offers and getting them in debt. But Uber had done this in the US and shouldn't have been a surprise.

The so-called fleecing, arrogant auto rickshaw is more resilient, can navigate the traffic better.

[1] https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/nirmala-sitharaman-blam...

Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

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This is a welcome move. For short, small-value rides like with auto-rickshaws, Uber and Ola's commission can be close to 100% or even more. You can travel (slightly) cheaper by negotiating with the famously fleecing rickshaw drivers themselves.

> famously fleecing Fleecing who? Natives would never pay more than a dollar or two for a short ride, and never more than 10-20% more than the “fair” value. It’s even better in places like Mumbai, where everyone uses a standard meter. Tourists would pay 10x but in my experience they don’t even notice or care they’re getting fleeced because $10 for a short (5-6km) trip is a reasonable price to them.

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Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

#23
Disagree with this move. Uber & co. have been a net positive to the country, people and the economy. After pouring billions into creating and proving a market, the government is baselessly capping their earnings.

Here's a fair proposal:

1. Encourage competitors and allow the free market to set prices and revenue shares. A vendor undercutting prices will get higher ridership

2. Prevent price gouging via collusion - do not let the companies cartel up

3. Limiting surge pricing to 2X is the only reasonable policy in their proposal

After all, every stakeholder in this vertical is an at-will participant, with no compulsion to stay if the economics do not work out

Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

#24
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not OK to fleece anyone 'because they are tourists'. EDIT: Removed rant

Please show me the tourist who had a problem paying $10 for a ride across town. It’s a rounding error for people used to paying 2-3x that rate normally. I have probably taken rickshaws as much as you have but I don’t share your contempt for them. They’re doing a difficult job and they’re charging very little for it. You complain so much about their attitude but do you complain about the customer who refuses to pay mo…

That is a pretty arrogant and very Indian thing to say.

1) It’s not tourists or foreigners taking advantage of other Indians - it is Indians. Indian people disrespect and mistreat each other to an extend I have never seen anywhere else in the world. 2) It is not tourists who set the prices for taxi meters - it’s the Indian cities or governments; yet it is Indian cab drivers who often believe they stand above the Law and can take advantage of tourists because “they can afford it” 3) Nobody argues about rickshaws not doing a difficult job and I NEVER heard a tourist complain about the prices of rickshaw dwellers - only fellow Indians 4) It’s not tourists but Indians that pretend inflation doesn’t exist; tourists generally overpay

Yes, we “rich foreign tourists” can afford to pay 10USD for a ride across town; but it’s not the same deal as riding in an actually safe vehicle with seatbelts and a driver passing an actual driving license in Europe or the US; taking these aspects into account the 10 USD trips are a rip off

Yes, countries can continue to take advantage of tourists, squeeze them as much as they can and justify that with the “they can afford it”. I will never travel to India again unless I HAVE to for business purposes - because I am just tired of it. There are a million cleaner places on earth - with people being more honest. Yes, in other Asian countries people also haggle - but at least they take care of their environment.

You know, people that believe that “taking advantage of foreigners is ok because they have the money” aren’t exactly contributing to the reputation of a country. What’s left?

Treat everybody with respect - and good stuff will happen.

Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

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Disagree with this move. Uber & co. have been a net positive to the country, people and the economy. After pouring billions into creating and proving a market, the government is baselessly capping their earnings. Here's a fair proposal: 1. Encourage competitors and allow the free market to set prices and revenue shares. A vendor undercutting prices will get higher ridership 2. Prevent price gouging via collusion - do…

> After all, every stakeholder in this vertical is an at-will participant, with no compulsion to stay if the economics do not work out

That's not true. There are only 2 aggregators to choose from. Staying off one is not a feasible option for most.

> the government is baselessly capping their earnings.

They are not capping earning, they are capping percentage of fares. The cab driver puts in most of the cost.

> Encourage competitors and allow the free market to set prices and revenue shares. A vendor undercutting prices will get higher ridership

How? A company trying to enter this market would have a loong cash burn ahead of it with no certainty of a profit. Like social media, there's an inertia to users platform switching.

Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

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Disagree with this move. Uber & co. have been a net positive to the country, people and the economy. After pouring billions into creating and proving a market, the government is baselessly capping their earnings. Here's a fair proposal: 1. Encourage competitors and allow the free market to set prices and revenue shares. A vendor undercutting prices will get higher ridership 2. Prevent price gouging via collusion - do…

Uber tapped into a market that is completely dependent on cheap, insecure, unorganized labor. A market that creates disastrous externalities.

How any of this gives you reason to celebrate them rather than question what the f- went wrong is absolutely beyond me

Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

#27

I can't see any situation where Uber retains its current volume if it increases its prices. I'm not a particularly price sensitive customer, yet I find myself taking auto rickshaws more and more. The gap between their fares and Uber are becoming a little to unjustifiable. I'm comfortable with an Uber being 1.5-2x more than an auto, but fares these days are often 2.5-4x higher. My Uber usage is now reserved mostly for…

I use Uber for almost all my transport needs, despite my own concerns about how Uber operates. Despite the higher surge prices.

My issue with using auto rickshaws are two-fold.

The first is comfort and safety. Rickshaw rides just feel crap and I can never feel safe enough to just wear earphones and relax.

The second is integrity. I don’t mind paying more. But there have been 3 auto rides out of my last five where drivers ask for one amount drive halfway there and demand 2x. I don’t know if it’s because I’m not a local or if I just look vulnerable. I just feel like I’m being used.

Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

#28
This is how regulators wind up securing established companies. Capping commission rates favors Uber because Uber already has the infrastructure and resources at its disposal so that it may afford earning less, cutting head count as necessary, where as entrepreneurs who want to compete with Uber don't. They have many more mountains to climb and less opportunity once they've reached the market.

India is essentially planning on fortifying Uber's position. Well done. Mission accomplished, lobbyists. Go long on Uber stock.

Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

#29
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please show me the tourist who had a problem paying $10 for a ride across town. It’s a rounding error for people used to paying 2-3x that rate normally. I have probably taken rickshaws as much as you have but I don’t share your contempt for them. They’re doing a difficult job and they’re charging very little for it. You complain so much about their attitude but do you complain about the customer who refuses to pay mo…

That is a pretty arrogant and very Indian thing to say. 1) It’s not tourists or foreigners taking advantage of other Indians - it is Indians. Indian people disrespect and mistreat each other to an extend I have never seen anywhere else in the world. 2) It is not tourists who set the prices for taxi meters - it’s the Indian cities or governments; yet it is Indian cab drivers who often believe they stand above the Law…

It's called the "I never bothered to learn the actual fare from a local friend" tax. I don't agree with it, but it's pretty trivial to get around. It's definitely not exclusive to Indians.

“taking advantage of foreigners is ok because they have the money” is not something most people believe. There is a large population that lives below the poverty line and will overcharge anyone who can and will take it.

Yes, we have a big cleanliness problem, but that's an extension of our poverty problem. We have a lot of people who's concern is providing for the family instead of fulfillment. It's not hard to see why that's not a priority for them.

We are stuck here because British colonization, theft, and messy departure left us poorer, with broken politics, and a corrupt bureaucracy. Still, that's an obstacle, not an excuse. We're improving. I see no country without problems.

We have quite a few pristine and beautiful places where the locals care about their surroundings. Did you visit anywhere beyond the city you had business in?

Re: India considers commissions cap for Uber, Ola, unsettling industry

#30

Disagree with this move. Uber & co. have been a net positive to the country, people and the economy. After pouring billions into creating and proving a market, the government is baselessly capping their earnings. Here's a fair proposal: 1. Encourage competitors and allow the free market to set prices and revenue shares. A vendor undercutting prices will get higher ridership 2. Prevent price gouging via collusion - do…

> Uber & co. have been a net positive to the country, the people and the economy.

Net-positive for who? Folks who can afford to pay for their services? That's probably just the top 10%. If you speak to the drivers, they have nothing but complaints about the economics of it all.

Not discounting the fact that there's increased traffic now and overall less emphasis on using/improving public transit.

> After pouring billions into creating and proving a market, the government is baselessly capping their earnings.

I don't understand this line of thinking: Pouring billions shouldn't really get you a free pass to exploit, corrupt, amend, sway, flout, transcend, overpower governance, regulations, laws, discussions, resources. As far as creating value is concerned (on-demand rides), may be you've got a point: The taxi industry was expensive before Ola and Uber set foot, but it turns out VC money is finite, and expensive is what makes it work economically on the supply-side.

> After all, every stakeholder in this vertical is an at-will participant, with no compulsion to stay if the economics do not work out.

Surely, you have heard abt the high incentives based payment structure that Uber and Ola had in 2015/16 that coerced the drivers into taking loans for their cars which they struggle to since pay, now that those incentives have been changed because IPO? It doesn't seem to me you're thinking much from the drivers' side who are really struggling to make ends meet with the current predatory commissions that Uber et al enforce. The problem here is, there's a disproportionate amount of power in the hands of aggregators which time and again they've exercised in a ruthless manner: There's a need to curb that greed that otherwise would eat up the already economically struggling populace, imho.

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