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RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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post #32

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Without RMS most of the software you are currently using wouldn't work. He has orthodox manners and is an extremist for freedom but "terrible harm" is a lie.

I am sure it would work just fine.

It mainly would not exist. Or if it did it would be very different.

Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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post #25
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Is his comment based on outdated information? I just checked and github appears to recognize a few dozen ( https://help.github.com/en/github/creating-cloning-and-archi... ) license types including gpl2, gpl3 and lgpl

RMS argues against licensing under only a single version of the GPL obviously he prefers "GPL2 or later" and "GPL3 or later" does github offer that?

If you click on the link, you find: GNU Affero General Public License v3.0, GNU General Public License family gpl, GNU General Public License v2.0 gpl-2.0, GNU General Public License v3.0 gpl-3.0, GNU Lesser General Public License family lgpl, GNU Lesser General Public License v2.1 lgpl-2.1, GNU Lesser General Public License v3.0 lgpl-3.0.

Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

#43
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There is some awful stuff in that thread, like this gem [1]: After microsoft puchased Github, they encouraged "Codes of Conduct". So now 40k "opensource projects" hace CoC's. Obviously men won't be contributing to said projects, other than the people allready in them. [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-system-discuss/2019-1...

We won't. You can't force me to contribute to your project and if it has such a coc I just won't.

Sounds like your contributions won't be missed, and that the CoC is working as intended.

Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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post #25
post #3

Is his comment based on outdated information? I just checked and github appears to recognize a few dozen ( https://help.github.com/en/github/creating-cloning-and-archi... ) license types including gpl2, gpl3 and lgpl

RMS argues against licensing under only a single version of the GPL obviously he prefers "GPL2 or later" and "GPL3 or later" does github offer that?

Yes.

https://help.github.com/en/github/creating-cloning-and-archi...

https://choosealicense.com

Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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post #32

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I am sure it would work just fine.

It mainly would not exist. Or if it did it would be very different.

This is falling prey to the great man theory of history. How can you know that nobody else would have championed FOSS if not for him?

There are lots of FOSS advocates who were turned off to the whole movement because of him; what might they have done with him absent?

Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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This is just RMS being consistent. He's never liked non-GNU licenses, and considers anything that allows the use of open source code in closed source projects to be the spawn of the devil. He'll continue saying this until his dying breath.

That said, GNU and the GPL have been very helpful, sometimes instrumental, in fostering and protecting open source code and developers, so I'll put up with his ivory tower vision for the practical benefits it's brought us.

Call him crazy (and he probably is), but he's been a net benefit to society, which is a lot more than most achieve.

Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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post #43

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We won't. You can't force me to contribute to your project and if it has such a coc I just won't.

Sounds like your contributions won't be missed, and that the CoC is working as intended.

If by intended you mean driving away reasonable people that want to make software not get involved in politically motivated drama and moral panics then yes.

Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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We won't. You can't force me to contribute to your project and if it has such a coc I just won't.

? I'm very confused. "coc" is a "Code of Conduct" document right? How is that you're opposed to CoC _in general_?

Because reasonable people already know how to behave and don't need a document to tell them. I've never seen a case where a coc improved software.

Re: RMS: GitHub has done terrible harm to our community

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post #17

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I think he really just speaks his mind, I'm not sure he is trying to be edgy or anything, he always had quite radical ideas and positions. I mean people have been calling him a lunatic for years, he has been fighting for free software and warning people about proprietary software and the obvious risks it carries. Despite being proven right about quite a lot he warned about, people views never really changed about him…

What exactly do you consider radical about his position in this instance?

Radical might not be my choice of words, but he's got a certain type of ideological purity around free software that's definitely on the extreme end.

Here's a paraphrased version of what he's saying:

"GitHub [...] has done terrible harm to our community.

GitHub was so bad for free software, all along[.]"

Now, if you were to define "our community" as the open source community, this would be laughable - very few people would argue that open source software has been terribly harmed by GitHub (on the contrary, the rise of GitHub has seen many projects flourish). I don't necessarily think he means the wider open source community, though - he's referring to his own Stallman flavor of free software.

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