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Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#81
Honest question: how do you people even cope with the crap results?

I'm a StartPage user, but decided to try DDG for some time after the System1 debacle [1]. The Swedish localized search results are downright unusable compared to StartPage/Google. I'm really trying to give it a chance, but I keep reaching for SP in every other search.

[1] https://reclaimthenet.org/startpage-buyout-ad-tech-company/

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#82

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As somebody hailing from an area that used to be under occupation by the Nazis and thus having heard multiple first-hand accounts of how it transpired I assure you that's not how actual Nazi collaborators operated.

Please don't dilute the meaning behind this expression.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a reference about DDG using Bing? It's not mentioned on their site, or their wikipedia entry, or anywhere else I could find, and the results were different when I tried a few searches in them both just now. Are they "Using Bing" in the same sense they "Use Wikipedia" to put info boxes on the results page sometimes?

DDG does use Bing for _some_ of their search results, but it's far from just a reskin.

DDG uses Bing, Yahoo! and Yandex for non bang searches[1].

As of October 2019, Yahoo! Search is once again “powered by Bing”[2].

To me, results are as crap as Bing's.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/6uaibg/comment/...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#85

Honest question: how do you people even cope with the crap results? I'm a StartPage user, but decided to try DDG for some time after the System1 debacle [1]. The Swedish localized search results are downright unusable compared to StartPage/Google. I'm really trying to give it a chance, but I keep reaching for SP in every other search. [1] https://reclaimthenet.org/startpage-buyout-ad-tech-company/

I love DuckDuckGo and use it by default but the results do suck. They are improving, however.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#86
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Given the amount of M$ ads DDG has showing latelly does not surprises me they might be partnering with bing.

> M$ Hello, 1990's Slashdot called and would like its tired old '$' satire back.

M$ would like their tired old 1990s business practises back, oh wait they never left. Just like the M$ shorthand which we see less simply becuase we talk about them less.

It's reputation they fully earned. You can write "Microsoft" in full whenever you like if you prefer too. I think it's pretty reasonable to casually express contempt at every opportunity for any business that puts money vastly further ahead of ethics than they need to. You can disgaree with that if you like too.

Facebrick is the new M$. What do we have for Goog? "do no evil" with strickeout for more money? $GOOG?

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#87

Honest question: how do you people even cope with the crap results? I'm a StartPage user, but decided to try DDG for some time after the System1 debacle [1]. The Swedish localized search results are downright unusable compared to StartPage/Google. I'm really trying to give it a chance, but I keep reaching for SP in every other search. [1] https://reclaimthenet.org/startpage-buyout-ad-tech-company/

It's not just you. I sincerely believe in DDG's mission, but the sad truth is I just can't find what I want with it. Unfortunately there seems to be no good way to use Startpage with Safari either.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

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post #36

I have mixed feelings about this. If you recommend DuckDuckGo, Qwant, Ecosia you're essentially recommending Bing. Each of them have to show bing ads, forward the users' IPs as per Bing's terms of service (to fight ad fraud etc). Similarly, if you recommend StartPage, you're recommending Google. Same drill with ads. I like DuckDuckGo. But unless they build their own search - I think the fundamental problem has not be…

> But unless they build their > own search IIUC, they have built their own search, but use Bing(among others) for paid ads. If this is the case, it seems that it’s the business model that needs innovation and not the search engine itself.

Wonder how viable it is for a web search engine to support itself on paid subscription. It could also be $X per N search result pages.

Re: Twitter CEO Endorses DuckDuckGo

#90
post #36

I have mixed feelings about this. If you recommend DuckDuckGo, Qwant, Ecosia you're essentially recommending Bing. Each of them have to show bing ads, forward the users' IPs as per Bing's terms of service (to fight ad fraud etc). Similarly, if you recommend StartPage, you're recommending Google. Same drill with ads. I like DuckDuckGo. But unless they build their own search - I think the fundamental problem has not be…

Does anybody have any infos about Qwant?

It's the only EU-based search engine with its own indexing engine ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwant )

I don't care if it's EU or not, but is the index real or kind of half-fake? (like "yes, we have an index, but it's 10MBs big...")

I started using Qwant ~2 months ago and it isn't bad: the snippets that are shown in the search results often don't contain the search terms that I used but the links were so far good - but I did mostly lookups for e.g. functions and other reference data - the few times that I challenged it with exact searches its results were similar to the ones of Google, meaning that it didn't return the websites that contained such exact sequences of characters.

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