Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI Go players
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Re: Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI Go players
#2I read last year that he might come to the US and teach Go. I hope that happens. I took lessons last year from a Korean Go/Baduk master and it was fun.
Re: Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI Go players
#3It would be a bit sad if the fact that there's good AI players discourages future generations from Go, Chess and other games. Weirdly the AI will have destroyed the basis for its own existence, at least in this niche.
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#4> "With the debut of AI in Go games, I've realized that I'm not at the top even if I become the number one through frantic efforts,”
There is something sad about this comment. It’s as if, even while standing at the peak, he doesn’t grasp what being “at top” actually is.
Would Eliud Kipchoge say the same thing about a motorcycle?
Re: Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI Go players
#5> "With the debut of AI in Go games, I've realized that I'm not at the top even if I become the number one through frantic efforts,” There is something sad about this comment. It’s as if, even while standing at the peak, he doesn’t grasp what being “at top” actually is. Would Eliud Kipchoge say the same thing about a motorcycle?
Your ability to reason is tied a lot closer to your sense of self and humanity than your ability to run. If Usain Bolt became parapeligic he'd still be human, if Richard Stallman suffered brain death it'd be debatable whether he's still a person or a corpse being kept alive by machines.
Re: Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI Go players
#6> Even if I become the number one, there is an entity that cannot be defeated
Hard for me to empathize with this argument for his retirement. If we can't outrun a car, does that make running competitions pointless? The existence of AlphaGo doesn't diminish the triumph of being a number one human player in any way.
Re: Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI Go players
#7> "With the debut of AI in Go games, I've realized that I'm not at the top even if I become the number one through frantic efforts,” There is something sad about this comment. It’s as if, even while standing at the peak, he doesn’t grasp what being “at top” actually is. Would Eliud Kipchoge say the same thing about a motorcycle?
Agreed. I'm all for pitting AIs against each other to see who is better, but putting AIs vs humans is futile in a ridiculous way. Games aren't fun if there isn't a level playing field.
Re: Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI Go players
#8That's unfortunate. I wonder if we'll need a new term for this kind of "chilling effect". What else won't people explore or further themselves in due to the presence AI?
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#9It would be a bit sad if the fact that there's good AI players discourages future generations from Go, Chess and other games. Weirdly the AI will have destroyed the basis for its own existence, at least in this niche.
The way that AI is used in chess might hopefully imply otherwise. IIRC most popular chess services like chess.com use AI to help train players.
Re: Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI Go players
#10> Even if I become the number one, there is an entity that cannot be defeated Hard for me to empathize with this argument for his retirement. If we can't outrun a car, does that make running competitions pointless? The existence of AlphaGo doesn't diminish the triumph of being a number one human player in any way.
Before cars, there were horses. We humans are well aware of the fact that our physical ability is not our competitive edge.
What about Go? No animal or machine could play it as well as humans do.. until AlphaGo came along. I think that is where the sense of loss comes from.