The headline is somewhat misleading. The map has only been changed when viewed from inside Russia.
It is unchanged, everywhere else.
Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
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Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I gotta say this is a pretty weak move on apples part. If apple really wants to be a cultural force, hard decisions must be made. Bowing to any government leader in any country is a slippery slope.
the problem is that even if i had a knee jerk reaction (i slightly did ;) ) and said 1)i should take a stance against apple 2) google is not an alternative -- what are my options? i can try to hack together some lineageOS device or something else, which will ruin the camera experience for me -- probably the most important feature of my smartphone for me. on top of that, i'll still have to rely on google for map /traf…
here maps.
It's nokia.
They're great. Not quite as good as google's offering, but better than apples.
Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#23i'm a big fan of apple products and definitely bought into apple's stance -- but now i'm starting to think it's nothing more than a convenient branding campaign that only works in the USA. all these aspects that apple markets in the USA seem to be completely negotiable anywhere in the world, and i wonder how long before they can also become negotiable in the USA. in the USA, because of fairly well established democra…
I gotta say this is a pretty weak move on apples part. If apple really wants to be a cultural force, hard decisions must be made. Bowing to any government leader in any country is a slippery slope.
Apple doesn't want to be a cultural force. Apple want to sell phones. They have to comply with local law to do so.
Doing otherwise is "bias" and "politics". Now, you may argue that Apple should be biased towards the Western view of the world, and have its own politics of national recognition, but there is substantial pushback against big tech companies having a political bias.
Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#24> However, it uses the Russian spelling of Crimean place names on its maps in Russia, rather than the Ukrainian spelling. The vast majority of people in Crimea are Russian speakers (as well as being ethnically Russian). It's been that way since the Russian Empire conquered the peninsula from the Ottomans in 1783. In fact, there's nearly as many Tartar (descendents of Ottomans) speakers in Crimea than Ukrainian. Last…
So? It's not Z Lałręc ul nor Hospital Conmemorativo de Jackson in US just because the majority of people in a place speak a different language or came from somewhere else.
Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#25> However, it uses the Russian spelling of Crimean place names on its maps in Russia, rather than the Ukrainian spelling. The vast majority of people in Crimea are Russian speakers (as well as being ethnically Russian). It's been that way since the Russian Empire conquered the peninsula from the Ottomans in 1783. In fact, there's nearly as many Tartar (descendents of Ottomans) speakers in Crimea than Ukrainian. Last…
By that logic, all areas of Russia where the non-Russian ethnicity is dominant (of which there are a lot) should all be written out in their respective languages. Also, the argument "well it was like that since " does not really have traction. Why choose an arbitrary time point? Usually, these arguments fall apart when you suggest to look at .
In many Russian territories, they are in fact. You'll see multi lingual signs and that kind of stuff. I was in Komi Republic this time last year and many signs had both Komi (a Fino language) and Russian, despite a very insignificant number of living speakers.
Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#26The sentence about google maps is wrong. Google shows whatever you want to see.
https://i.imgur.com/2HaIhPh.jpg
Google.com.ua users see a state/province border (top image)
Google.de users a disputed international boundary (middle image)
Google.ru users see an undisputed international boundary and Russian spellings of city names (bottom image).
(and I think there are generally no borders shown in the oceans)
I made the screenshots using proxies or maybe just changing the domains about a year ago (don't remember what exactly I did).
Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#27See also Kashmir, Microsoft 1995: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20030822-00/?p=42...
More accidentally, https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20061027-00/?p=29... : Microsoft accidentally flood Poland.
Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
By that logic, all areas of Russia where the non-Russian ethnicity is dominant (of which there are a lot) should all be written out in their respective languages. Also, the argument "well it was like that since " does not really have traction. Why choose an arbitrary time point? Usually, these arguments fall apart when you suggest to look at .
In many Russian territories, they are in fact. You'll see multi lingual signs and that kind of stuff. I was in Komi Republic this time last year and many signs had both Komi (a Fino language) and Russian, despite a very insignificant number of living speakers.
That's not the argument tho, is it? I think Russian speakers in Ukraine were pretty comfortable themselves.
Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#29What a world we live in! Each country gets its own version of alternative reality.
It should be marked as disputed, from both sides, like "agreed to disagree". Think what would happen if the UK took back Hong Kong, or if Hong Kong declared itself independent. We - westerners - would all love that and accept it immediately. Would we have a problem then with Apple if they showed HK as a separate country?
"It should be marked as disputed"
That's not how international law works. By all means maps may be tailored to suit the preferences of markets/countries, but military conquest of a territory doesn't convert it to a "disputed" status. Currently the internationally-recognised borders between Ukraine/Russia are well-defined.
> We - westerners - would all love [the UK invading and annexing Hong Kong] and accept it immediately.
What rot!
Re: Apple changes Crimea map when viewed from Russia
#30i'm a big fan of apple products and definitely bought into apple's stance -- but now i'm starting to think it's nothing more than a convenient branding campaign that only works in the USA. all these aspects that apple markets in the USA seem to be completely negotiable anywhere in the world, and i wonder how long before they can also become negotiable in the USA. in the USA, because of fairly well established democra…
To be clear - this is a change in the way the maps are displayed when viewed from inside Russia only.