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Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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Your answer is very inspiring and also perfect example for youngsters to understand money and productivity are not the only things that matters in life. I had a similar junction in my life and I selected money instead of pursuing family and academic life, now I'm starting to think maybe wasn't a good decision. I'm getting older (38) Do you mind if I ask did you also quit your job to pursue Phd? Nowadays started worki…

Yes, I did. At the age of 42! Funny you should ask. I posted about my experience in a recent thread a few weeks back. Search for my user name here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21299546

I read and really liked your story about going to Cambridge when you first posted it. Did you find a PhD helped you find more interesting gigs?

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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I quit full-time work in 2001, after being burned out in the dot com boom. I did well for myself financially after the startup I was in got bought. The phrase "well" is of course subjective, considering that no colleague of mine quit. I left a whole lot of money on the table, but never once have I regretted it. I decided that the name of the game is to optimise quality of life. That means, infrequent brutal deadlines…

It's inspiring reading this. In many ways, I feel I'm on a similar track. The thing I struggle with the most, though, is keeping up with the trends. I tend to do things the same way I did them years ago -- and while these are battle-tested methods of doing things that I know will work, I'm aware that the industry is evolving and maybe I'm not keeping pace. The older I get the more I see patterns repeat themselves and…

I can relate to this. Given a choice between tech I know works, and tech which is "trendy", I find it hard to take a punt on the new stuff.

I do feel it's OK to require new tech to prove itself though and I am quite happy to keep it at arms length until it's earned its stripes - while recognising it can take years for the hype cycle to play out.

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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I haven't worked for any FANG or FANG sized company, the worst I had to deal with was working a large European telco, so my experience may not be particularly similar to yours.

You make it sound like it's either a FANG company or startups, but there are tons of small companies that would love to have people like you. They don't necessarily pay well, but you're going to be important. Most likely there won't be much politics in the way of you doing actual work, and you have much more influence on technology choices, processes and the company in general.

From my experience the most fun jobs are for established companies who are relying on their employees to make a profit, rather than chasing VC funding. The ideal staff size to me is around 20 - 50 people. The majority of the staff shouldn't be doing IT related tasks.

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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I left Amazon 9 months ago, after working there for 8.5 years. My total comp was over $500K when I left, which made it both easy (allowed me to save money) and hard to leave (I left about $1M of granted RSUs+Salary for 2019-2020 on the table). At one point, I realized that a career as a full-time employee in at a "high-stress" employer is not the ideal one for me. I'm working for myself right now, but if one day I ne…

I am at that "OK, what do I do now" point after having a couple of years off. I started applying for the same places I left, and then realised how stupid it was to do that. At some point I had to come to terms with what I really wanted, and it wasn't a high wage. So now I am looking for jobs (and working for myself) at places or in ways that I actually like, and don't care about the wage at all other than that it is…

What is your retirement plan?

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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> How do I know what the source of the problem is? You don’t like working for FANG. That seems like a totally normal sane response to me. I’d be more concerned about the people who love that corporate environment rather than those it doesn’t give meaning to. Some people like the security and routine and structure (understandable), some people like the politics (weird), but I don’t think you need to overthink this. Th…

> You don’t like working for FANG. That seems like a totally normal sane response to me. I’d be more concerned about the people who love that corporate environment rather than those it doesn’t give meaning to.

There are lots of people at Amazon, Google, and I'm sure Facebook that find meaning in their job. Improving search actually does help people, billions of them. Improving the web stack (Chromium) also helps billions of people. I'm guessing the people at Oculus (Facebook) believe they are helping to invent the future. Pocket computers used to = newton/palm/ce, VR is at that first level but many believe it will advance to iPhone level (more ubiquitous)a at some point. I know people working on robotics at Amazon who love it.

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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I haven't worked for any FANG or FANG sized company, the worst I had to deal with was working a large European telco, so my experience may not be particularly similar to yours. You make it sound like it's either a FANG company or startups, but there are tons of small companies that would love to have people like you. They don't necessarily pay well, but you're going to be important. Most likely there won't be much po…

I agree but dont let your self get conned into accepting markedly lower pay.

Also I suspect the politics might be worse in SME's than a start up or a Big company.

Oh and big telco Is bigger than a FANG when I worked for BT we had more developers in a single division that Google had employees in total

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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I’ve worked in both big tech and startups. Startups are nothing like big tech companies. The work and needs of a small company are completely different than somewhere like Google. And here’s the bad news: going to a small startup or mission-driven company probably won’t make you happy. You often have all of the same problems, with none of the support or validation from a big company. I’ve hired and worked with many w…

I don't think the only two options are big tech and chaotic startup. There are non-tech places that just want someone to add some tech to their business, for example.

True but get ready for taking ages to get changes done

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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I am struggling with this as well. If you were there a decade I'm guessing you are set for life financially? I know I would have been at a decade but left after 5 years so I am not set for life which means I'm in this dilemma. go back for the money (safe retirement) or do something more risky (dad took the risk, failed, might be in the poor house except married a younger wife who has good job). I'm 54 so not a lot of time to recover.

In any case I know other people who left. One told me he went stir crazy and joined his friend's startup part time (because they can't afford him full time) but he doesn't need the money, just doesn't want to feel taken advantage of.

Another had enough that he mostly just enjoys is life with his wife. His kids are adults and live around the world so he travels to see then. Him and his wife attend investor meetups to invest in startups. He makes simple robots as a hobby (and possibly a new company but so far just hobby). They also left the USA, tried a year in Asia and so far 2 in Europe, a year in the first spot, and starting a year in the second, no plans to move but of course they have the means to switch.

I know for myself, looking back on my own happiness, I was happiest when working with best friends on projects I liked. There are at least 2 companies with close friends I could work with but their projects are not so clearly projects I'm interested in and both would pay low compared to FAANG (guess is 1/5th to 1/6th) so it's not an easy decision. Also not clear if it would pay out of they do well. I other words don't want to feel I'm selling them my life for their success.

I was also happiest when I was part of the core team helping to make the decisions of what ships, what the shape the product is. On at least one team I was "just an engineer" and found it so frustrating to watch the leads go have their meetings to decide everything and then just be told what the direction was. Not sure how to fix that except to start my own thing which is easier said than done.

Feels so stupid to be so worried about this spoiled engineer problem though.

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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After a decade in FANG and living a not extravagant lifestyle, you could easily have a couple million socked away. That at least gives you breathing room to do whatever for a few years.

For a few years? What kind of lifestyle do you have that a few millions only last a few years? I really doubt with that math you would have been able to save a few millions in the first place, unless you won a lottery.

At a FANG they are probably living in a high COL - got to pay that mortgage

Re: Ask HN: Quitting Big Tech, what is it like?

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"what would you have done instead?" Maybe teach or try to make it as an artist... or try to get in to making movies. I have so many other interests apart from computers. Trying to pursue any of them professionally might have lead to something, and, honestly, maybe I would have burnt out on whatever it was or just failed, but at least I wouldn't have kept banging my head against something I hate and dread over and ove…

Certainly. You said you would have made the change earlier but now consider yourself to be "old" (and therefore your skills are out of date). At what age would you have not considered yourself "old" and likely a more suitable candidate for jobs? I know that the "buzzword bingo" of tech doesn't help. What languages did you write in? I play a few instruments and it is enjoyable but I am not sure I would have "succeeded…

"Certainly. You said you would have made the change earlier but now consider yourself to be "old" (and therefore your skills are out of date). At what age would you have not considered yourself "old" and likely a more suitable candidate for jobs?"

Well, being more suitable for jobs is less a matter of being young than of having the right skills and a good CV. The reason I brought up being old is because I think it's harder to make a career switch when you're older than when you're younger.

"What languages did you write in?"

I'm actually going to refrain from giving any more details about exactly what I did. Suffice to say the tech I knew at my peak is, mostly, no longer in fashion and that I knew a variety of languages.

"I suspect I would have ran out of creativity or ideas, and I wonder if the same would have happened to you?"

That's certainly possible, but there are ways to keep oneself fresh.. like surrounding oneself with other creative people, who can be really inspiring, or to work on many different projects at the same time, so it's more difficult to get bored than working on the same thing over and over again. I do share your concern, however, particularly in the long term, but now, looking back on my life I wish I'd just tried more things career wise, and taken more risks... even if they didn't work out in the end, they would have provided lots of opportunities to completely change my life, learn new things, and meet interesting people.

"It's a shame about you hating it and dreading programming. I don't like some of the stuff I have to write but at least it is writing software - I try to keep in mind that's it's still "better" than other jobs I would have gone insane in (eg. basic administrative jobs)."

Yes, there are plenty of worse jobs. I dread those too.

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