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Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by Aeolun »

Simon321 wrote: post #18

If you work in security, this resonates so much. No one really cares about security except to check a box or pay lip service to it. That's why so called security products ship without logging and clients don't want to make the smallest effort to enable you to improve their security. It's why companies that sell security products invest more in marketing than the product. The industry is full of conmen and marketeers.…

Conversely, in a lot of industries the security department is only there to prevent you from doing everything you need to do, even if the threat and attack surface are both minimal.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by chahex »

You are not pissed off of your work. You are pissed off of yourself. You are not complaining because the work is wrong, you are complaining because you are angry within, and you believe it is not your fault. You are not taking responsibility of your emotions as you are supposed to and as taught by all the masters of wisdoms. Go back home and rethink who you are. The world is not changing for you unless you change yourself. You are losses off because you are seeing an imperfect self everywhere .

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

#43

Post by thdrdt »

pif wrote: post #37

You are not pissed off, you are burned out. When all the people around you are fine and you can't cope with the environment, it's time to look for professional help, for your sake.

I don't think he/she is burned out. When you are burned out you can't do anything anymore. Then you are way over 'being pissed off'.

But! being pissed off at work is a very good way to get burned out. Most people who are burned out are having conflicts with their moral and what they do or how they live.

So good for the author to make this clear to his boss and is taking action. Because in the end being mad will turn into being burned out.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

#44

Post by slimed »

chahex wrote: post #42

You are not pissed off of your work. You are pissed off of yourself. You are not complaining because the work is wrong, you are complaining because you are angry within, and you believe it is not your fault. You are not taking responsibility of your emotions as you are supposed to and as taught by all the masters of wisdoms. Go back home and rethink who you are. The world is not changing for you unless you change you…

This type of drum circle commentary is so unhelpful.

Raising the bar for security in the software industry requires much more than just self reflection and elbow grease from individual engineers.

The solution requires buy in from all stakeholders. Especially management.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

#45

Post by tempguy9999 »

Iv wrote: post #26
isodude wrote: post #14

I asked my SO recently how she view the Internet, what it is and how it works. She was honest and told me that, "If I click this button, this websites loads. If that works I'm fine! If it doesn't I will call you. Don't stop working with IT please, if you get it, we need you badly!" I believe that is a good reason to be accepting towards the current state of affairs. People just don't care. They have more important is…

Thing is, it took me a long time to accept that people not caring was ok. Now I realize that my dad is frustrated I never learned something as simple as changing the oil on my car. My mom does not understand how I can't name more than two flowers and can't bake a pie. My legal-minded friends are astounded I do not take a day to work on my legal status to pay less taxes. Hell, my wife does the paperwork I am not even…

I can't accept that not caring is ok. The small "I don't care" extends into "I don't care about anything outside my immediate environment" and that has political and eventually global consequences.

If their bank account is drained they will care, and get angry, and then maybe do something (but preferably the bank will recompense them in which case they feel better and go back to not caring).

Some stuff you just can't do; as you say the world's too large, but many people don't want to put in the effort to learn stuff that would benefit them immediately, never mind over the longer term.

I really do not understand people.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

#46

Post by Juliate »

chahex wrote: post #42

You are not pissed off of your work. You are pissed off of yourself. You are not complaining because the work is wrong, you are complaining because you are angry within, and you believe it is not your fault. You are not taking responsibility of your emotions as you are supposed to and as taught by all the masters of wisdoms. Go back home and rethink who you are. The world is not changing for you unless you change you…

A slightly different take would be: check on your expectations.

Make 3 columns (for a start) : 1/ Explicit your expectations of the world. 2/ State what you see. 3/ State why you think things are this way, and how you could contribute to change them.

Putting this explicitly might transform anger into contemplation first, then understanding (of the disconnect, of the possible courses of action).

Then use this table to discuss this with people that could help you doing so.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

#47

Post by chahex »

slimed wrote: post #44
chahex wrote: post #42

You are not pissed off of your work. You are pissed off of yourself. You are not complaining because the work is wrong, you are complaining because you are angry within, and you believe it is not your fault. You are not taking responsibility of your emotions as you are supposed to and as taught by all the masters of wisdoms. Go back home and rethink who you are. The world is not changing for you unless you change you…

This type of drum circle commentary is so unhelpful. Raising the bar for security in the software industry requires much more than just self reflection and elbow grease from individual engineers. The solution requires buy in from all stakeholders. Especially management.

We are not talking about the same problem. Yo are not seeing the fact that it is only you who are responsible for what’s happening inside you . And you are taking the wrong path fixing that by fixing everything else but you.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by javajosh »

thrownawayalrea wrote: post #35
javajosh wrote: post #5

This is the down-side of artificial scarcity for software. The upside is that sweet sweet green. If you could remain cynical a few years longer, scrimp and save like 10 years of a comfy mid 6 figure salary, you'd stop caring about the BS, and you'd might even learn to love it (or even contribute to it!) After all, nothing quite feels as good as being a well-paid expert in a complicated field, especially when it grows…

What about those of us who don't get crazy compensations, but instead work at a midsized company selling a "security" product? All of the complexity in my field comes from stupidity, either by certifiers, or legacy protocols that can't die or sales people playing "defect/defect" with oneanother so nobody fucking talks with each other. If the complexity at least came from software I would have a reason for my knowledg…

Well, it sounds like you need to be learning things outside your domain in the hopes of entering the job market. Sometimes you can't fix the game.

BTW I'm quite wary of "security products" for enterprise; it reeks of antivirus software writ large. That said I can see some benefit to services like audits, or even things like honey pots or "dark net scans" for detecting leaks. But something tells me that's not what you're talking about...

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by kodablah »

> I'm pissed off at the state of information security [...] I'm pissed off that our tooling is falling behind. I'm pissed off that my clients don't seem to take it seriously

Information security, like physical security, isn't something people want to have to care about or put effort in, and if they don't want to, they often won't. What you should be pissed about is that clients have to care and it isn't applied transparently. When being insecure is more difficult than being secure, then you'll find the mindset shift. In the meantime, you should be pissed off at those that make security difficult, not those that care less to endure those difficulties. I know some of the post addresses vendors, but the rest concerning your-company software and vendors is misplaced anger.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by slimed »

chahex wrote: post #47
slimed wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This type of drum circle commentary is so unhelpful. Raising the bar for security in the software industry requires much more than just self reflection and elbow grease from individual engineers. The solution requires buy in from all stakeholders. Especially management.

We are not talking about the same problem. Yo are not seeing the fact that it is only you who are responsible for what’s happening inside you . And you are taking the wrong path fixing that by fixing everything else but you.

Agree to disagree.

Anger is quite useful.

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