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Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by rasz »

_8j7i wrote: post #81

Is it possible that tinnitus is actually just a person's inability to ignore natural noise in the hearing systems? More of a physchological issue like chewing fingernails or having OCD, but which can be amplified by legitimate physical hearing damage? I ask this because for all the life I can remember, I've always been able to perceive a high-pitched tone, even in completely quiet environments. If I actually focus on…

Its not a real sound, Oona tried recording it with negative results http://www.windytan.com/2015/07/case-study-tinnitus-with-dis...

Re: We ‘may’ have discovered a potential remedy for tinnitus

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Post by lazyasciiart »

debatem1 wrote: post #308
lazyasciiart wrote: post #278

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Yes, and "they just need to turn it down" is certainly oversimplified. Roughly speaking, nobody considers "it's too loud" a significant problem, and so nobody puts in any effort to solve it at any level, including venue design. I was mostly responding to the silly statement that people who think it's loud must be "cuddling speakers".

Note that I didn't say that. I said that there were multiple reasons why it wasn't "insane" that people play live music loudly, and that if you wanted to cuddle the speakers you would need to wear earplugs. I also noted that some bands will play deliberately loudly with no regard for the venue in another post. In the end, if you want to stay at volumes that are safe for your ears without protection you will need to s…

I already wear earplugs.

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Post by gwats_time »

_8j7i wrote: post #81

Is it possible that tinnitus is actually just a person's inability to ignore natural noise in the hearing systems? More of a physchological issue like chewing fingernails or having OCD, but which can be amplified by legitimate physical hearing damage? I ask this because for all the life I can remember, I've always been able to perceive a high-pitched tone, even in completely quiet environments. If I actually focus on…

Absolutely, check out this paper about using neurofeedback https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5717031/. This technique is purely for psychological disorders. My wife has chronic tinnitus, and my theory is that initial onset of tinnitus is related to physical damage, then it turns chronic because the brain develops a fear response to the noise, which makes it amplify the noise over and over

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Post by pas »

antognini wrote: post #329
xvector wrote: post #326

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Same for me. Remember the noise since I was a small child. Always thought it was normal. Hearing tests consistently come back perfect. But yeah, hearing tests cover a very tiny portion of the spectrum. Audiology, in this regards, seems to be completely divorced from the frequencies people hear in real life. In reality, the vast majority of hearing tests barely cover the frequency range of human voice - let alone freq…

I'm not exactly sure which tests you've gotten. It may be the case that the audiologist will only test a few frequencies for someone who is likely to have good hearing. But if you are fitted for hearing aids they will test a range of frequencies from 100 Hz to 8000 Hz. Almost all cases of hearing loss have hearing loss at high frequencies, so they may be able to screen you by just checking at higher frequencies. As f…

8K seems too low. Sure at 20K you wouldn't hear anything, but there's still a lot of potential to hear a low level hum at let's say 13K which drives you mad.

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Post by hcarvalhoalves »

oblib wrote: post #323
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #218

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Not all tinnitus is due to hearing damage, I think some is neurological. I had it in the past (after an apparent infection, but no true diagnostic on the root cause), and my hearing slowly recovered. I took all known treatments though (steroids during the crisis, Ginkgo Biloba extract for a while and Magnesium supplementation since then). The ringing comes back if I drink alcohol or too much coffee though, but maybe…

"Magnesium" Wow, now that's interesting. I've noticed my tinnitus completely stops sometimes but not figured out why. I take Ginkgo Biloba and sometimes it seems to work, and others not at all. I also take magnesium supplements on occasion, but usually only when I have leg cramps. I'm going take both right now to see if that makes a difference. And I'll also take just the magnesium when it returns to see how that aff…

You shouldn't take Magnesium only when you have the symptoms though, it doesn't work like that. You should take the recommended dosage for supplementation all the way thru (I take 120x400mg capsules, that lasts 4 months), because your body first creates a reserve of Mg in the bones, then uses it later as necessary for other issue. If you get constant cramps, that means you've already depleted these reserves.

Prefer some form of chelated Magnesium instead of the more common Magnesium Chloride too, it's better absorbed and doesn't affect the bowel.

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Post by peheje »

x2f10 wrote: post #324
mav3rick wrote: post #266

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Can you update and tell us what happened ?

Update: I tried it twice. Both times it failed. There were times between the beeps were I swore it was gone, but when I took off the headset (or muted the volume), it was indeed still there. Perhaps you have to continuously do it?

Hi. In original post I wrote I had ringing for a weekend. It was in fact a week. I used it 1-3 times a day. Mostly while getting to sleep or walking, I could lower the volume more and more until I slept.

The ringing was totally gone in between the tones but as you know it's really a short span.

You say you're used it twice and it failed, I don't think you can conclude that. You can read section 2.5 in the paper. Here it mentions treatment of 4-6 hours a day not split into sections shorter than an hour and over ~12 weeks.

If you fall asleep with some earphone in maybe that also counts the time?

Then it's easier to get such a high number therapy. E.g. one walk session a day for 1 hour. And then 3 hours at night until you wake up groggily and take of the earpieces and continue sleeping.

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Post by peheje »

ay wrote: post #240
peheje wrote: post #127

I had a ringing for a weekend and found and used this extensively https://github.com/generalfuzz/acrn I remember it being after some loud event. But I honestly can't remember. It went away. But it might not have been tinnitus and just an ear infection. Or it might have helped, I'm just one sample size.

I coincidentally had a 13khz whistle while reading your comment in a quiet room. Tried the protocol, and now I can hear how quiet it is here - the whistle is gone. So that’s a sample of two now. Thank you so much for posting it!

Hello ay. Glad to spread this if it can help anyone.

Could you elaborate a bit more on your experience? The 13khz whistle how long have you been hearing that? How much did you use the tool? Is the whistle permanently gone?

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Post by oblib »

hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #336
oblib wrote: post #323

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"Magnesium" Wow, now that's interesting. I've noticed my tinnitus completely stops sometimes but not figured out why. I take Ginkgo Biloba and sometimes it seems to work, and others not at all. I also take magnesium supplements on occasion, but usually only when I have leg cramps. I'm going take both right now to see if that makes a difference. And I'll also take just the magnesium when it returns to see how that aff…

You shouldn't take Magnesium only when you have the symptoms though, it doesn't work like that. You should take the recommended dosage for supplementation all the way thru (I take 120x400mg capsules, that lasts 4 months), because your body first creates a reserve of Mg in the bones, then uses it later as necessary for other issue. If you get constant cramps, that means you've already depleted these reserves. Prefer s…

It's still hit of miss for me so far on the ringing in the ears. Some days are much better than others but I haven't been able to mail down why.

My wife got some potassium and I've been taking it with "Natural Calm" magnesium for the leg cramps. That's been working great to stop and prevent them. I haven't taken it everyday though. Only when I feel them coming on.

I think the Ginkgo I'm taking may be hit or miss. I'm pretty sure it's a cheap Wal-Mart brand and probably not a very high quality product.

I'm not sure what type magnesium the Natural Calm uses. I'll look into that too.

Thank you for the additional info!

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Post by hluska »

astrodust wrote: post #142
hluska wrote: post #124

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I’m not sure how old you are, but can 42 year old me give you some advice? Go get a hearing test. If I would have known about my tinnitus at 22, I would have a noticeably higher quality of life at 42...

Why? What would they do?

I would stopped damaging my hearing almost a decade before I did.
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