Similarly-named (I mistook OP for this) but much, much more interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_dialectic
Master–Slave Morality
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Re: Master–Slave Morality
#32The SEP[1] is probably a better reference than Wikipedia for most philosophical topics, especially for individuals like Nietzsche (who, for various reasons, tends to find himself in the intersection of vaguely reactionary thinkers and people who want to read philosophy without seriously engaging with the rest of the canon). In particular, this Wikipedia article gives the incorrect impression that Nietzsche is especia…
> Nietzsche's moral cynicism is universal and the MS divide is meant to be descriptive, not prescriptive or constructive. Could you elaborate? Nietzsche's usage of slave morality seems pejorative to me, and I wouldn't characterise Nietzsche's stance as an universal moral cynicism; his method does not aim at an universal conclusion. Funny enough, this illustrates well why it is difficult to find good reads on Nietzsch…
Yeah, my read of the SEP is that they are delicately saying ("metaethically") that Nietzsche was an A-hole.
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#33I came away with a feeling that the article was not representative. It felt creepy, even. It's frankly a disgusting argument.
Maybe you should look at the book Moral Psychology with Nietzsche: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/moral-psychology-wit... .
Thanks for the reference, it looks good. What's the takeaway?
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe a reason why so many are so fond of mafia movies.
I dont think so. The mafia movies go out of their way to show mafia men relatable, courageous, smart, overcoming adversity, having good motivation initially. Their victims are either not shown, deserve it, weak (instead of principled), or are just not relatable cartoon characters with no real backstory. The consequences of their acts are not really shown. So they end up being adventure movies essentially where main c…
I'm not entirely sure, there's a lot of basic crime mindset in the most famous titles. It's not will hunting or shawshank redemption smart, far from that.
Re: Master–Slave Morality
#35Kids are to Nietzsche as Wilhelm Reich claimed masturbation is to the idea of God:
It is pointless to argue with a Nietzschean. Simply get them to have kids, and the ideas of Nietzsche evaporate.
Re: Master–Slave Morality
#36The SEP[1] is probably a better reference than Wikipedia for most philosophical topics, especially for individuals like Nietzsche (who, for various reasons, tends to find himself in the intersection of vaguely reactionary thinkers and people who want to read philosophy without seriously engaging with the rest of the canon). In particular, this Wikipedia article gives the incorrect impression that Nietzsche is especia…
> Nietzsche's moral cynicism is universal and the MS divide is meant to be descriptive, not prescriptive or constructive. Could you elaborate? Nietzsche's usage of slave morality seems pejorative to me, and I wouldn't characterise Nietzsche's stance as an universal moral cynicism; his method does not aim at an universal conclusion. Funny enough, this illustrates well why it is difficult to find good reads on Nietzsch…
To dramatically over-simplify: N. thinks that slave morality was inferior to master morality, however he doesn’t think we should return to a master morality system. He also thinks that slave morality did have some benefits in the sense that it turned humanity's creative instincts inward. He mostly has a problem with slave morality because it is life-denying (which is essentially his criticism of Christianity).
It should also be said that he doesn’t use these terms in a scientific or extremely specific way (“this is how it was, factually”) but rather as a sort of myth-like pattern. They are broad repeating trends, so to speak, not scientific observations.
The overman (Übermensch) should transcend both moral systems and create a new life-affirming one. Unfortunately some reactionaries seem to think that he was advocating for a return to master morality.
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#37Classroom morality: the behaviors that make the teacher's day easier and get good grades. Playground morality: the behaviors that make a kid popular and respected by the other children. ... This Nietzsche is interesting and it hit me like a slap in the face when I first encountered it, but the most fleshed out and vivid form of this type of thinking is Ribbonfarm Gervaise Principle articles.
The Premium Mediocre Life of Maya Millennial ( https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2017/08/17/the-premium-mediocre-l... ) was a favourite from Ribbonfarm.
That post cracked me up. Thank you.
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#38An example why German philosophy of late 19th century is considered deranged by many... Cherry picking some facts, dissecting them in detail, reassembling them in some convincing fashion, pretending conclusions are true without any proof of causality and then just observing how that philosophy spreads like wildfire among people that want to look trendy, contributing to two world wars later.
Nietzsche's philosophy had a profound influence on the colonial wars that Europe fought, and the world wars that were fought in Europe.
What an absolute humanitarian travesty that era was.
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#39Hypothesis: In a liberal democracy, when leaders adopts a persona of master morality, the slaves are threatened. If leaders instead project a slave morality, the slaves are peaceable and content. But behind the scenes, it seems like a state needs to rule with master morality, but for peaceableness, promote the adoption of slave morality among the slaves. Controversial view: Christianity is a perfect ruling tool becau…
Hypothesis: In a liberal democracy, when leaders adopts a persona of master morality, the slaves are threatened. If leaders instead project a slave morality, the slaves are peaceable and content.
But behind the scenes, it seems like a state needs to rule with master morality, but for peaceableness, promote the adoption of slave morality among the slaves.
Controversial view: Christianity is a perfect ruling tool because it incentivizes slave morality which keeps people peaceful.
Caveat: I'm not saying Christ wasn't real nor an amazing person. Just noting how the religion could be co-opted for ruling purpose.
Re: Master–Slave Morality
#40An example why German philosophy of late 19th century is considered deranged by many... Cherry picking some facts, dissecting them in detail, reassembling them in some convincing fashion, pretending conclusions are true without any proof of causality and then just observing how that philosophy spreads like wildfire among people that want to look trendy, contributing to two world wars later.
Nietzsche's philosophy had a profound influence on the colonial wars that Europe fought, and the world wars that were fought in Europe. What an absolute humanitarian travesty that era was.
Yeah, just like Einstein and nuclear weapons.