Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the germane point about Emacs here is that some people like writing Lisp and some people hate it. If you hate it Emacs is likely not going to be your best environment, and that’s fine. I really like writing Lisp so Emacs has a simple way of doing anything I want, but it’s not for everyone.
I think this is a larger problem with Emacs. Duplicating a line is something that should be easy to do out of the box. And if it's a situation where you really need to make the user define a keyboard shortcut, don't make them do C-c followed by the actual shortcut, let them define single keystroke shortcuts to do what they want. Multiple keystroke shortcuts are so damn annoying.
Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
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Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#102I've noticed that (almost?) any talk about any editor in the last few years: emacs, vim, sublime, atom etc always brings up how good VS Code is. It's a huge endorsement of VS code.
I think users of VI or emacs has different ways of defining "good" here. Personally, I would never use VS Code, or any other chromium editor.
Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#103Oh Emacs. A graybeard I respect got me to try it about 5 years ago. I used to walk by his machine and think "wow, in a movie about a hacker, this is what their computer screen would look like". I also thought Magit was pretty damn cool because it made interacting with Git extremely intuitive (once you're comfortable with Emacs). In the years since first picking up Emacs, I have probably spent 100 hours or more config…
I've been using Emacs for 40 years.
My .emacs file is 59 lines long.
Most of the customizations turn off features have been added (menu bars and so forth), or that disable "helpful brain damage" that simply got in the way. I've spent 2-3 hours over the last decade tweaking things.
Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#104There are lines in my Emacs config files that are older than some of the programmers I work with, so I can relate. Contrary to what some people think, Emacs does not require constant tweaking and wasting time on configuration. I revisit my setup every couple of years or so, and I always find it is time well spent, as my productivity goes up as a result. I do not know of a better environment for multi-language program…
> Emacs does not require constant tweaking and wasting time on configuration. Unless you are using org-mode, in which case updating org-mode may cause issues that require reading up on the breaking changes that were introduced between org-mode versions. (This is meant as a heads up for newcomers using org-mode, since it's pretty popular at this point.)
Upgrading org-mode should count as tweaking the config. Is there any part of org-mode that stopped working suddenly?
Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#105Emacs - the editor that STILL doesn't have a simple way to duplicate the current line?
My emacs would have that feature in a few seconds if I thought it would be useful. But I don't happen to think it is so it (probably) doesn't.
Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the germane point about Emacs here is that some people like writing Lisp and some people hate it. If you hate it Emacs is likely not going to be your best environment, and that’s fine. I really like writing Lisp so Emacs has a simple way of doing anything I want, but it’s not for everyone.
I think this is a larger problem with Emacs. Duplicating a line is something that should be easy to do out of the box. And if it's a situation where you really need to make the user define a keyboard shortcut, don't make them do C-c followed by the actual shortcut, let them define single keystroke shortcuts to do what they want. Multiple keystroke shortcuts are so damn annoying.
Why? I can't think of any time when I've wanted to duplicate a line.
Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#107I really started to get lost when he started talking about never wanting to leave his text editor, wanting to read his emails in Emacs, browse the web in Emacs, have slack and discord in Emacs, etc. Serious question: Why? Is it that hard to alt+tab? Especially, why would you want such distracting features inside your editor, while you are trying to focus and work?
> Is it that hard to alt+tab? incidentally, alt+tab is broken on MacOs. It cycles between programs, not windows - so if you have mutiple terminal windows open, you're screwed. You can use the alternative alt+` to cycle between windows of the same app, but that doesn't go to the least recently used window, but cycles through them in order - which is also useless when having many terminals open. Then you can pay like 1…
Trackpad + 4 finger swipe works wonders for this problem.
I’ll agree it’s not as immediate as a good alt+tab, but it allows you to directly choose a different window from the same application.
Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#108Emacs - the editor that STILL doesn't have a simple way to duplicate the current line?
If you care about such things then don't use vanilla emacs. Use spacemacs instead where I suspect you'll have this out of the box. It's not an obscure port. Indeed in the long run it wouldn't surprise me if we end up with more spacemacs users than vanilla emacs. I've even run across some pages with emacs tips where they take it as a given that you're using spacemacs (the tips only work on spacemacs and the page never qualifies this).
And even with vanilla emacs it's probably a one liner in your config to get vi bindings.
Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#109I changed Emacs for Sublime and now VScode - my main reason to change IIRC was that my fingers/wrist hurt from using chords so much :(
You should have simply switched to sticky keys, so you don't have to press keys simultaneously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_keys
Also, you can change the keybindings.
Re: Emacs: The Editor for the Next Forty Years [video]
#110A question for Emacs user: Do you use the GUI version or the terminal version? I found the terminal version next to unworkable because I couldn't find any terminal that didn't capture some keystrokes that were meant for Emacs.
GUI. Why should I use the terminal version if I work at a GUI. If you have SSH then you do not even have to log in to sites, to run emacs. Just use Tramp.