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Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by zanybear »

netcan wrote: post #23
kmlx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported why not? if i sell my sheep and need to deliver them to the buyer, then i'll need a form of transport.

The pertinent question is "why live?" Live transports are (for example) the biggest animal welfare issue for kiwi sheep.

I'm assuming because of the way an animal is sacrificed in order to be considered "halal". It would require a large slaughterhouse with the proper setup, which in an 98% orthodox country is not a easy arrangement.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by aivisol »

netcan wrote: post #23
kmlx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported why not? if i sell my sheep and need to deliver them to the buyer, then i'll need a form of transport.

The pertinent question is "why live?" Live transports are (for example) the biggest animal welfare issue for kiwi sheep.

This might give some clue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah

"The slaughter itself must be done by a sane (mentally competent) adult Muslim."

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by toomanybeersies »

ruthless_banker wrote: post #6
growlist wrote: post #3

Live shipping should be banned.

How is shipping different than truck or train.

Generally the journeys are much longer and in poorer conditions, with a lot less oversight.

Live shipping of sheep and beef out of Australia and New Zealand, especially to the Middle East, has been very controversial and banned on and off depending on the economy and political flavour of the month. It's a long, hot, hard journey, across the equator into the Middle East. There's no oversight on the ships, they get transported in horrible conditions, and the countries they're shipping the animals to don't have a great track record on animal cruelty.

Here's a case where 2,400 sheep died from heat stress on a voyage from Australia the Middle East: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/31/live-...

That's not an isolated incident either. It's endemic to live shipping. The whole reason they're doing it is because they want to maximise profits by shipping them live and slaughtering them in countries where it's cheaper, rather than using Australian abattoirs and shipping frozen carcasses or cuts.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by IceCreamGondola »

kmlx wrote: post #11
IceCreamGondola wrote: post #8

Without knowing the in's and out's of supply and demand this really raises the question as to why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported. Our reliance on global markets for our produce is out of hand (probably preaching to the converted here).

> why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported why not? if i sell my sheep and need to deliver them to the buyer, then i'll need a form of transport.

Nothing wrong with needing to transport but the problem is that globalisation has made it economically more viable to sell globally than locally. Produce should first be sourced locally then globally when they really need it.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by IceCreamGondola »

7952 wrote: post #29
IceCreamGondola wrote: post #8

Without knowing the in's and out's of supply and demand this really raises the question as to why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported. Our reliance on global markets for our produce is out of hand (probably preaching to the converted here).

I think that it may be connected to halal restrictions. The ship was destined for Saudi Arabia, and the sheep would be slaughtered locally.

That could be a possibility

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by toomanybeersies »

raducu wrote: post #9

"It is not yet known what caused the ship, which was bound for Saudi Arabia, to capsize" The romanian newspapers initially reported that the sheep were simply not loaded on both sides of the ship.

The front fell off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by toomanybeersies »

an_ko wrote: post #22
henryaj wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the extraordinary suffering it causes to animals. https://www.ciwf.org.uk/our-campaigns/live-animal-transport/

I'm sure it would be possible to transport animals more gently. Banning live animal transport altogether sounds like an overreaction.

You can slaughter them first and ship the carcasses.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by Ensorceled »

IceCreamGondola wrote: post #8

Without knowing the in's and out's of supply and demand this really raises the question as to why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported. Our reliance on global markets for our produce is out of hand (probably preaching to the converted here).

If not for global markets, my fresh fruit and vegetable selection would be VERY limited. As a kid, I had mostly root vegetables and apples from October until spring.

Re: Rescuers race to save 14k sheep on capsized cargo ship

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Post by Aeolun »

henryaj wrote: post #15
dev_north_east wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Because of the extraordinary suffering it causes to animals. https://www.ciwf.org.uk/our-campaigns/live-animal-transport/

I swear the video on that site is edited to make things seem worse than they are. Literally the only thing we ever see is a close up of cow faces, sped up to make the movements seem more erratic.

All the language is also full of hyperbole ‘the terrible exhausting journey’, ‘their sad faces’, ‘the aggressive behavior of the truck driver’.

I just cannot watch this thing. These people instantly have an agenda to me.

They may be right, but there are enough terrible stories out there without any attempt to make it worse (as seen from some of the stories posted here).

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