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Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by pmoriarty »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #200
pmoriarty wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I'm a fan of the gift economy. This was the way the Internet used to be when it started. This is the spirit that's common in academia, but has sadly waned once the internet got commercialized and grew out of control.

Back in the days of the early internet it wasn't free to host images. You paid for a web host, had your own site, and hosted what you want. But you paid!

I didn't mean free to run your own image hosting site, but free to use.

Like Wikipedia. There are costs to run it, but it's free to use.

Same with public libraries.

Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by huhtenberg »

stavros wrote: post #21
efficax wrote: post #18

I thought about doing this as a form of easily managed passive income. But then I remembered: copyright takedown requests and child pornography. Keeping on top of bad actors with an image host sounds like a huge headache! And if you grow that means you have to hire people, and then how do you keep the price so low? Good luck!

Yeah, that's my worry as well. Hopefully the fact that people have to pay will curb that a bit, but yeah, I'm worried about it.

You should be worried. This will be abused in a matter of days if not hours.

Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by xwdv »

aeorgnoieang wrote: post #189
xwdv wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Just use GUIDs.

I'm guessing you're thinking about discoverablity? I think the comment to which you were replying was pointing out that you might want to serve different images out of different buckets (e.g. because they have different audiences) or use a different bucket for images versus other content. But if you're happy with just using whatever S3 bucket you have, then there's no reason to switch.

What does the audience have to do with anything? Why are you mixing application layer concerns with data storage concerns? It’s like saying you want images for one audience served from Azure but another audience served from AWS. It makes no difference, it’s all just data and bits stored somewhere and served out. Might as well just put it all in the same place. Could easily be the same bucket.

Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by rando444 »

_8j50 wrote: post #46

Glad this exists. Still does not replace imgur. You just need a free tier. No way out of that. I am not paying you even $0.01 if I need to upload 2 memes and share it with 5 people. I can afford it but not gonna happen. Here is ideas: make it a subscription. Allow free hosting with no registration but let the image expire (unhost) after N views and rate limit clients. Don't freaking ask me for my email. No, I do not…

I like your ideas, but how do you retain control of your account?

How do you prove that you are the owner?

If someone manages to log in as you and takes over your account, how do you get it back without giving some method to contact you.

Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by nck4222 »

stavros wrote: post #169
hakunin wrote: post #162

I've seen your other projects from years ago, e.g. your bookmarks site. I think you have great ideas and skill. I appreciate the effort towards being no bullshit. May I suggest a no-BS approach that replaces highly subjective humor with a copy that focuses on (hopefully also no-bullshit) aspects like 1. clearly stating how you gonna scale image delivery 2. clearly stating how you store files 3. clearly stating how yo…

> clearly stating [...] I don't think #1 and #2 are of interest to users, all the users care about is when they type "imgz.org/myimage.png" the image loads. #3 should be rather clear from the fact that you have to pay, hopefully. > This humor reminds me of a 20yo me in college, a time when my sense of narcissism was way outperforming my sense of good taste. Thank you, that's exactly what I was going for!

That kind of humor and response is off putting to me as a potential customer. It gives me the impression that either this website is a bit of joke, or that it's not really meant for people like me (that don't 'get' that kind of humor).

That's fine if that's what you're going for, it's up to you. But FYI you'll lose some customers over it, maybe more than you'd gain.

Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by _8j50 »

aeorgnoieang wrote: post #177
_8j50 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're paying for something, the concept of an "account" has to exist in order to record the payment against. If you're paying for something, that generally transfers a chunk of personal information for anti-fraud purposes. Given that, an email is not a huge ask, and is very useful for e.g. billing reminders. It doesn't have to be a spam thing and GDPR is gradually cracking down on that. Now that makes little se…

> Why do I care about how a site keeps records of payments? I think you might want to care because that's a basic requirement of any legal business (or non-profit) pretty much anywhere. The service is also time-limited. Would you pay some amount for images to be hosted for a limited time? That seems like a perfectly valid decision. It may not be feasible to accept anonymous payments or accept credit card payments wit…

B.s., how does protonmail/vpn let me create accounts without a prior email? They do sms verification or arbitrary donation for antifraud. Yes, like an expiring paste, i don't care if an image i shared expires after a while. This site and many others accept btc payment. It is also a growing trend to allow guest checkouts without registration. A business needs to keep records but that is a backend problem,you can record individual transactions with unique IDs and be done with it. Unless you're in finance you don't need to track users (money laundering)

Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by _8j50 »

IshKebab wrote: post #198
_8j50 wrote: post #46

Glad this exists. Still does not replace imgur. You just need a free tier. No way out of that. I am not paying you even $0.01 if I need to upload 2 memes and share it with 5 people. I can afford it but not gonna happen. Here is ideas: make it a subscription. Allow free hosting with no registration but let the image expire (unhost) after N views and rate limit clients. Don't freaking ask me for my email. No, I do not…

> Glad this exists. Still does not replace imgur. You just need a free tier. No way out of that. Having a free tier is what turned imgur into the mess that it is now. When it start it was a no-bullshit image host. But how do you host images for free?

Not true. They were free only, free was not a tier. Paying customers support it.

Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by stavros »

nck4222 wrote: post #206
stavros wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> clearly stating [...] I don't think #1 and #2 are of interest to users, all the users care about is when they type "imgz.org/myimage.png" the image loads. #3 should be rather clear from the fact that you have to pay, hopefully. > This humor reminds me of a 20yo me in college, a time when my sense of narcissism was way outperforming my sense of good taste. Thank you, that's exactly what I was going for!

That kind of humor and response is off putting to me as a potential customer. It gives me the impression that either this website is a bit of joke, or that it's not really meant for people like me (that don't 'get' that kind of humor). That's fine if that's what you're going for, it's up to you. But FYI you'll lose some customers over it, maybe more than you'd gain.

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but I'm not terribly serious about this being a viable business and I want that to come across. I made this because I wanted something like it, and I'm opening it up to people to use with me, with the understanding that it's not meant to be a Real Business(TM).

If it super blows up and has the potential to put food on the table, I might reconsider, but I don't think it's ever going to be more than a small group of happy users.

Re: Show HN: I made a no-bullshit image host

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Post by pbalau »

StavrosK wrote: post #116
babycake wrote: post #74

Can you walk through how you're managing storage of these photos? I've thought about doing something similar, but VPS like DO have very little HDD space. And Amazon S3 is massively expensive. How are you handling the dollar expense vs storage capacity?

I'm sticking them all in a Postgres database with CloudFlare in front as a caching proxy. Hetzner gives me 3 TB of bandwidth per month, so I expect that to last me a long time. If CloudFlare hates my usage and I get enough users to make $50/mo, I'll buy a dedicated Hetzner server which comes with a 3 Gbit connection, which will hopefully mean that bandwidth still isn't a problem (or just pay CloudFlare).

> Hetzner gives me 3 TB of bandwidth per month, so I expect that to last me a long time.

Oh summer child... one meme going viral on reddit is going to destroy your hopes for the future...

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