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CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

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Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying a house shouldn't make your net worth go negative (unless it massively depreciates, I guess). The mortgage balance is debt, but it's backed by the value of the house.

You don't own the house until it's paid off.

Yes you do!

Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying a house shouldn't make your net worth go negative (unless it massively depreciates, I guess). The mortgage balance is debt, but it's backed by the value of the house.

You don't own the house until it's paid off.

But you own a portion of the house and the bank owns a portion equal to the loan value.

Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

#13
post #5

I see a net worth video. How important is net worth? My wife and I had about $200k net worth until we bought a house. Now it’s probably the same amount but negative after the house purchase. We max out our 401ks and employee stock purchase. Our mortgage and car note is below the 30% suggestion. It will probably be 5-8 years or more until it’s positive again.

My understanding of net worth is that asset purchases like a home would initially be a wash w/r/t your net worth.

Starting with a $200k net worth, and you (for instance) put down $100k on the home. You now have $100k in cash/securities and $100k in home equity, assuming you paid the appraised value of the home.

Hope that helps!

Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying a house shouldn't make your net worth go negative (unless it massively depreciates, I guess). The mortgage balance is debt, but it's backed by the value of the house.

You don't own the house until it's paid off.

You do, in fact, own the house. It is encumbered in that if you sell the house, you have to pay back the mortgage first.

Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying a house shouldn't make your net worth go negative (unless it massively depreciates, I guess). The mortgage balance is debt, but it's backed by the value of the house.

You don't own the house until it's paid off.

Can you sell the house and keep the cash? You own the house, the deed is in your name. You have a debt with the bank. The bank has your house as collateral but the city chargers you taxes on it because you own it.

Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

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post #4

I saw there’s a topic on compensation, and I think this is perhaps one of the most important topics for engineers in the Bay Area. I rarely run into an engineer with budgeting issues, but more often than not, I run into an engineer who has taken a compensation offer that is less than ideal at an early stage company. I think it’s great that there is a whole topic on compensation. I think the equity side is super compl…

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Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

#18
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't own the house until it's paid off.

But you own a portion of the house and the bank owns a portion equal to the loan value.

The bank doesn't, really, they own your debt. The amount that you owe the bank does not increase or decrease with the value of your property.

Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

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post #7
post #5

I see a net worth video. How important is net worth? My wife and I had about $200k net worth until we bought a house. Now it’s probably the same amount but negative after the house purchase. We max out our 401ks and employee stock purchase. Our mortgage and car note is below the 30% suggestion. It will probably be 5-8 years or more until it’s positive again.

Buying a house shouldn't make your net worth go negative (unless it massively depreciates, I guess). The mortgage balance is debt, but it's backed by the value of the house.

Thanks I’ve been watching videos on YouTube about becoming a millionaire in retirement. They say mortgages and car payments are bad in any form.

To them any debt is bad no matter what it is and drags down their calculation of becoming a millionaire. Their calculation for net worth is all savings minus any form of debt.

Re: CS 007: Personal Finance for Engineers – Stanford University 2017-20

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post #7
post #5

I see a net worth video. How important is net worth? My wife and I had about $200k net worth until we bought a house. Now it’s probably the same amount but negative after the house purchase. We max out our 401ks and employee stock purchase. Our mortgage and car note is below the 30% suggestion. It will probably be 5-8 years or more until it’s positive again.

Buying a house shouldn't make your net worth go negative (unless it massively depreciates, I guess). The mortgage balance is debt, but it's backed by the value of the house.

Not sure of location of parent comment, but in the United States, buying a house includes a lot of initial expenses, called "transaction costs." Things like purchasing title insurance, prepaying taxes and insurance for the escrow, paying for inspections and appraisals, and of course the bank has some fees they roll into the mortgage. So unless you value the house you just purchased for more than the purchase price and make up the difference, you'll lose net worth equal to those transaction costs.

EDIT: Ah I see they were implying they went from $200k net worth to NEGATIVE. I hope the transaction costs were less than that!

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