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Re: Recreation.gov

#21

Not reCAPTCHA, please. It’s horrendous in any environment that blocks any real amount of tracking. Rate limiting would solve the bot issue without inconveniencing regular users.

Rate limiting would not prevent individuals running their own bots, or a service that uses a different IP for each request.

Re: Recreation.gov

#22

FYI recreation.gov also has an API: https://ridb.recreation.gov/ Edit: the National Park Service also has its own API: https://www.nps.gov/subjects/developer/api-documentation.htm

As far as I can tell it doesn't provide availability information, though.

Re: Recreation.gov

#23
The NPS and BLM sites are also good resources for finding information about different areas and activities:

https://www.nps.gov/findapark/index.htm

https://www.blm.gov/programs/recreation/

As for campsite reservations, peak seasons will always be terribly crowded at major campsites. It's too bad that people are gaming the system, but if you need to rush to get a spot in line, you're probably not going to feel like you're out in the wilderness when you get there anyways. So if you aren't a huge fan of crowds and noise, try going during the off-season (like right now!) Also, consider checking out smaller state forests and parks during the summer months. And many forests and parks allow 'dispersed camping' in certain areas; you can usually find plenty of semi-maintained campsites along roads in those places when the maintained campgrounds are full or closed.

And if you go to these areas regularly, an annual parks pass might save you money, even if they usually only get you discounts on federal land:

https://www.nps.gov/planyourvisit/passes.htm

Re: Recreation.gov

#24

They REALLY need recaptcha on park reservations, or some sort of other automation. I'm 90% sure that botting is the only realistic way to get campsites in some high demand areas (such as lower and upper pines of Yosemite). I'm convinced the only reason there's not MORE scripts around to do it is because their API/web framework is impossibly ugly and not intuitive.

Why don't they run a lottery rather than first-come-first-served on a website?

Re: Recreation.gov

#25

Not reCAPTCHA, please. It’s horrendous in any environment that blocks any real amount of tracking. Rate limiting would solve the bot issue without inconveniencing regular users.

As someone with lots of anti-anti-botting knowledge - both are ineffective.

Even if it's a "global rate limit" I'll find out the value (never ran into someone randomizing it) and jump on the web request faster than anyone else RIGHT as it comes up.

With CAPTCHAs I'll bypass with a solving service and/or computer vision if it's easy, or even just get past the noCAPTCHA solutions with primed browser instances from credible networks.

But don't kid yourself - that would not solve botting at all.

Re: Recreation.gov

#26
post #21

Not reCAPTCHA, please. It’s horrendous in any environment that blocks any real amount of tracking. Rate limiting would solve the bot issue without inconveniencing regular users.

Rate limiting would not prevent individuals running their own bots, or a service that uses a different IP for each request.

Which is exactly what's happening.

Re: Recreation.gov

#27

Not reCAPTCHA, please. It’s horrendous in any environment that blocks any real amount of tracking. Rate limiting would solve the bot issue without inconveniencing regular users.

The reason I hate recaptcha: it's not just a rate-limit for one site, but for the entire web. Run a google dork? You'll have to find three more fire hydrants the next time you're signing up for a service. Install an ad blocker? Six more fire hydrants. Log out of google? Twelve more. Heaven forbid if I _actually_ scrape something. Hitting one site harder than an average user shouldn't force me to fill out captchas on every site until my "reputation score" or whatever is back up. Feels like social credit for web sites.

Re: Recreation.gov

#28
What agency are they under? Couldn't find it on site, just who they partner with. But who are they?

Re: Recreation.gov

#29
Lol at the copyright notice at the bottom.

I notice the app is made by Booz Allen Hamilton. It's a shame we have to farm this stuff out to contractors and not use the USDS or 18F.

Re: Recreation.gov

#30
post #28

What agency are they under? Couldn't find it on site, just who they partner with. But who are they ?

>This website and the information it contains are provided as a public service by Booz Allen Hamilton under contract to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Forest Service, and Recreation One Stop participating agencies.

https://www.recreation.gov/disclaimers

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