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Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by stephenr »

gddvhy wrote: post #18
merpnderp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has been watering down and further downplaying their motto of “Don’t be evil” for several years now. It’s hard to build the panopticon of infrastructure ripe for the subjugation of all humanity and not believe you’re doing evil.

Google isn't evil. I think it's just the Google founders have finally decided to step back, because they are getting old, cash out their shares and let other investors do whatever they want. There is an interesting idea about adtech. Instead of search being reactive, it needs to actively look for information you care about and every morning give you the top 10 most important news. Why do we go to HN every morning? Wh…

Your initial premise that it’s because the founders “stepped back” falls down immediately because googles privacy whoring antics and other shitty behaviour have been going on for almost as long as they’ve been a company.

What’s changed is, people are slowly starting to see google for what it is.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by scarface74 »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #7
dessant wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competitors are not disadvantaged by Microsoft adding privacy-friendly features to Edge. Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model.

> Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model. Why are you so sure it's easy for Google to pivot away from their trillion dollar business model?

I would say just the opposite. Google is completely incapable of diversifying away from advertising. It still makes up 90% of their profit and they have failed to diversify - unlike Amazon, Apple, and Microsoft.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by stephenr »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #26
olliej wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I briefly worked for google this year, and “don’t be evil” doesn’t appear in any of their on-boarding materials (anymore at least).

> I briefly worked for google this year I apologize in advance if the reason is personal and you do not want to share, but why did you stay at Google for such a short period of time?

I’d be asking why any time, not expecting more.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by keithnz »

maelito wrote: post #29
joecool1029 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm still looking for a browser that lets me pay websites visited in exchange of being served no ads. Isn't that the entire premise of Brave's browser? https://brave.com/

I thought so at first, but : > Earn rewards by opting into our privacy-respecting ads That's not what I want. My problem is with ads, as a dumb consumption catalyser and weak revenue model, not with privacy-concerning ads.

I believe you can simply buy brave currency also, so you don't need to look at ads at all.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by tracker1 »

chkaloon wrote: post #15

With the new Edge Zdnet articles like this one maybe will be more readable without garbage all over the page.

Yeah, it's even worse on mobile... it came up in my news feed that uses chrome by default, it was pretty horrible. Mostly use Brave on my phone.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by matt4077 »

petilon wrote: post #30

Chromium-based Edge will curb abuses by both Google and Microsoft. Now we can use Edge when using Google's services such as Gmail, and Chrome when using Microsoft's services. This will prevent abuses such as Chrome logging you into the browser itself when you log into Gmail, thereby enhancing their surveillance. Incidentally, Chrome had a longstanding bug where the setting that prevents Chrome logging you into the br…

> Is it a coincidence that this got fixed just weeks before Chromium-based Edge is due to be released?

The Venn-diagram of people that care about this bug and care about the new Edge can't be much bigger than, well, you. So I'd actually go with "coincidence" here.

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Post by matt4077 »

joecool1029 wrote: post #25
maelito wrote: post #21

I'm still looking for a browser that lets me pay websites visited in exchange of being served no ads. I don't understand why Mozilla doesn't offer this kind of subscription in Firefox. That could solve their funding problem too.

>I'm still looking for a browser that lets me pay websites visited in exchange of being served no ads. Isn't that the entire premise of Brave's browser? https://brave.com/

No, the premise of Brave is that there can never be enough middlemen scalping some money off creators.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by ymolodtsov »

maelito wrote: post #21

I'm still looking for a browser that lets me pay websites visited in exchange of being served no ads. I don't understand why Mozilla doesn't offer this kind of subscription in Firefox. That could solve their funding problem too.

Because that's not up to the browser to decide.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by mrtksn »

There are claims about Google "mistakenly" breaking Youtube etc. on Firefox. I wonder what happens if Microsoft "mistakenly" breaks Chrome and the updater?

Because when these companies truly take on to each other, they do play dirty.

I would prefer to watch such a fight, instead of browsers becoming non-standard. Default ad-blocking shouldn't be a thing, what's next? Browsers with default Reddit enhancement suits?

The default should be, browsers render whatever the HTML and JS say and leave it to the users to choose to modify this through ad blocking extensions and so on.

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