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Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by merpnderp »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #7
dessant wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competitors are not disadvantaged by Microsoft adding privacy-friendly features to Edge. Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model.

> Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model. Why are you so sure it's easy for Google to pivot away from their trillion dollar business model?

Google has been watering down and further downplaying their motto of “Don’t be evil” for several years now. It’s hard to build the panopticon of infrastructure ripe for the subjugation of all humanity and not believe you’re doing evil.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by dessant »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #7
dessant wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competitors are not disadvantaged by Microsoft adding privacy-friendly features to Edge. Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model.

> Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model. Why are you so sure it's easy for Google to pivot away from their trillion dollar business model?

I don't think the illegal personal data collection is what gives Google their advantage. They don't necessarily need to abandon their current business model, upholding human rights and respecting the spirit of the law would be enough.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by golemiprague »

wayneftw wrote: post #5
rogerkirkness wrote: post #2

In what way is this not the extend phase of embrace, extend, extinguish?

You need a majority market share to extinguish something. Edge has 2%.

It will have much more once the chromium based one comes out. You won't believe how many people still use explorer out of the box, they just get told to use Chrome once some website is not working. But if they will work all the same there won't be any reason to switch.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by dudus »

I can't tell from the article. Does anyone know if Google Analytics is blocked by default? It says the default is Balanced mode and that the trackers blocked are mostly from Google. But it doesn't make it clear if Google Analytics is blocked by default.

Google Analytics uses first party cookies so it usually passes by default blockers at least. If they are blocking that by default this is a massive blow. Otherwise it's blocking things that are probably already blocked in other popular platforms such as Safari on OSX and IOS, and this is much less impressive.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by Dylan16807 »

rogerkirkness wrote: post #2

In what way is this not the extend phase of embrace, extend, extinguish?

What, you think this was all a long con and they're going to go back to Trident? That's the only way I can think of to apply EEE here.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by gddvhy »

merpnderp wrote: post #11
OnlineGladiator wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model. Why are you so sure it's easy for Google to pivot away from their trillion dollar business model?

Google has been watering down and further downplaying their motto of “Don’t be evil” for several years now. It’s hard to build the panopticon of infrastructure ripe for the subjugation of all humanity and not believe you’re doing evil.

Google isn't evil. I think it's just the Google founders have finally decided to step back, because they are getting old, cash out their shares and let other investors do whatever they want.

There is an interesting idea about adtech. Instead of search being reactive, it needs to actively look for information you care about and every morning give you the top 10 most important news. Why do we go to HN every morning? Why do others go to their FB page every day? We try to find new valuable information. This is a form of addiction, but a useful one. In other words, there are users on the left, with their preferences. There are various domains of information and news on the right. The job of Google v2 is to connect the two. In fact, I'd pay 150/month for such a service because it's this valuable. Obviously, I don't really believe that Google can do this, as it's become riddled with greed and its management doesnt look further than the next quarterly profits.

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by mattlondon »

dessant wrote: post #12
OnlineGladiator wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model. Why are you so sure it's easy for Google to pivot away from their trillion dollar business model?

I don't think the illegal personal data collection is what gives Google their advantage. They don't necessarily need to abandon their current business model, upholding human rights and respecting the spirit of the law would be enough.

> illegal

Citation needed

Re: Edge vs. Chrome: Microsoft's Tracking Prevention Hits Google the Hardest

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Post by stephenr »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #7
dessant wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competitors are not disadvantaged by Microsoft adding privacy-friendly features to Edge. Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model.

> Google would be capable of transitioning to a business model that respects people's privacy. If they would want to, they could flourish under such model. Why are you so sure it's easy for Google to pivot away from their trillion dollar business model?

The vast majority of google services contribute fuck all to their bottom line - they’re purely a way to tie more and more things into “the google” and gather more information on people.

If they didn’t use the information, they wouldn’t need to gather it, and thus they wouldn’t need to build, run, “support” (lol) so many things that are objectively not profitable unless they abuse people’s private information.

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