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The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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"back then Google was still admired by the tech people" "Losing our support" why do you generalize 'tech people' as 'we' ? I'm in tech and I've been for 30+ years. I still admire Google. Sure some tech people don't like Google anymore or even never have. But I wouldn't generalize my case nor should you generalize yours. And it's not all or nothing: I want to believe most tech people are mature and educated enough to…

People who think carefully then call Google 'evil' may as well be the same people who used to call it 'good'. Corporations aren't good or evil. They are powerful. Being good is many things, but a key part of that is restraining the self from acting improperly. Corporations can't do that, they will sooner or later do whatever makes money. Or they get replaced sooner or later by a corporation that will. At best, there…

The thing about Google is they have a monopoly on search. The risk for them doing good at the expense of additional profit is much lower than almost any other business. They won't be easily replaced. They could choose to be good but they don't.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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In addition, what's changed between 2017 and now is that back then Google was still admired by the tech people. "Google is evil" sounded ridiculous only a few years ago. I've been ridiculed by my colleagues and fellow engineers every time I said it. But I think it began to change with the introduction of AMP, a growing list of products discontinued for no apparent reason, failures of some of the new products often pr…

> Google is not dying any time soon One way to kill it is blocking all their domains either in /etc/hosts or using pi-hole. But I imagine using the web would be slightly broken as Google host various font libraries and javascript libraries which if blocked, could break many sites.

Use https://decentraleyes.org

"Protects you against tracking through "free", centralized, content delivery. It prevents a lot of requests from reaching networks like Google Hosted Libraries, and serves local files to keep sites from breaking. Complements regular content blockers."

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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Surprised nobody mentioned Matomo Analytics yet: https://matomo.org/ It's FLOSS, comes both self-hosted and as a paid service and it's pretty good. Perhaps good enough for your use case?

Or, we could stop sending people programs to track themselves on their own computers. Just use your server logs. I don't care how much of an inconvenience it is, you should never have started doing any client-side tracking in the first place.

But if I do that then how am I going to convince investors to give me so much funding I can sell my company and retire?

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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How can they even do it with encryption and CDNs everywhere? It's just not possible. The last trace is unencrypted domain name in TLS handshake and it'll be gone soon.

> The last trace is unencrypted domain name in TLS handshake and it'll be gone soon. How can they respond to dns queries if they don't know what you're asking for?

I can use https://1.1.1.1/ as my DNS resolver. So all my provider can see is encrypted connection to 1.1.1.1 then encrypted connection to some 1.2.3.4 which belongs to cloudflare and serves plenty of different websites.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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> Google is not dying any time soon One way to kill it is blocking all their domains either in /etc/hosts or using pi-hole. But I imagine using the web would be slightly broken as Google host various font libraries and javascript libraries which if blocked, could break many sites.

Use https://decentraleyes.org "Protects you against tracking through "free", centralized, content delivery. It prevents a lot of requests from reaching networks like Google Hosted Libraries, and serves local files to keep sites from breaking. Complements regular content blockers."

Thanks for recommending that :)

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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There's a fundamental error, or at least assumption, in this piece that really needs to be called out. The author states it this way:

"Any website aspiring for significant traffic depends on Search and Social traffic."

This is stated in the context of a discussing of what the web was and might have been.

Let's be clear: when the web was tiny, having "significant traffic" wasn't a particularly difficult target to met. Get yourself on the netscape "What's New" list, and that's more or less the end of it. But the web (really, the internet) is now unimaginably huge compared to the days referred to at the beginning of the article. Having "significant traffic" now is not a realistic goal, or even a worthwhile goal, unless you define "significant" in a way that isn't strongly related to simple numerics.

If you're interested in and/or aspiring to the sort of web that seemed possible/desirable in 1994, then you're not really interested in building sites that attract "significant traffic" in the sense of huge numbers. Attracting the right people is a much more important goal, and that still relies on the same basics of "how to write a good web page" that existed in 1994.

In short, the dominance of "the trinet" in driving web/internet traffic only restates what could have been before computers: most of what humans do is related to commerce and mass entertainment, and attempts to do other stuff may succeed but will never be as visible or dominant as those two.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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In 1994 I was junior in high school and took as many years of auto-tech as possible. In the end we were rebuilding engines and air-conditioning units. And yeah, our high school had welding, cnc, woodworking, auto-cad, and even lumber-jacking as electives. But I took a lot of auto-tech, three years of it. And the funny thing is I have never gotten my license. I'm nearly 45 years old and have never been able to legally…

Helping someone do legitimate commerce online isn't making the internet worse. Quite the opposite.

That misses the point. I wish the internet was never used for financial gain. Just the sharing of information.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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Helping someone do legitimate commerce online isn't making the internet worse. Quite the opposite.

That misses the point. I wish the internet was never used for financial gain. Just the sharing of information.

> financial gain

> sharing of information

... These features aren't really extricable from each other in any society where money exists

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