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The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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In addition, what's changed between 2017 and now is that back then Google was still admired by the tech people. "Google is evil" sounded ridiculous only a few years ago. I've been ridiculed by my colleagues and fellow engineers every time I said it. But I think it began to change with the introduction of AMP, a growing list of products discontinued for no apparent reason, failures of some of the new products often pr…

It worked for Microsoft.

They started as liked hackers.

Then they went full throttle with monopolistic practices, corruption, patent trolling, litterally and publically insulting the competition...

And now, they just use a tiny fraction of the huge amount of money they made during that time to wash their image: better PR, involved in open source, etc.

I'm not worried for Google. People will forgive and forget everything like they do with most politicians.

They just have to keep accumulating benefits, and then hire poeple to "make the brand great again". Works everytime.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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People used to sit on a couch and watch TV for hours and also spent hours on the old phones talking about the most exciting shade of nail polish. Shopping is also fun. Now all that activities largely moved to Internet. Thanks to omnipresence of smartphones the hours dedicated to those activities had also increased. Of course share of general Joe Doe's website got smaller as said website does not always cater to few m…

Thank you, this was an amazing insight.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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Surprised nobody mentioned Matomo Analytics yet: https://matomo.org/ It's FLOSS, comes both self-hosted and as a paid service and it's pretty good. Perhaps good enough for your use case?

Or, we could stop sending people programs to track themselves on their own computers. Just use your server logs. I don't care how much of an inconvenience it is, you should never have started doing any client-side tracking in the first place.

I concur.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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Smaller cells do wonders. A LimeSDR with The reach can be increased for <50$ to at least a few hundred meters radius.

I don't understand, are you advocating for hobbyists to make their own 5G cells, or carriers? Why not use Wi-Fi at this point?

I assume Namibj is suggesting a switch from our current hub-and-spoke ISP model to a peer-to-peer mesh networking model.

Radio technologies have strengths and weaknesses. While WiFi works great in a home, other radio types are better at transmitting data long distance. The best solutions combine a mix of radios to leverage their strengths.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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> In the long-term, supporting routing for the old internet and the old Web would be an overhead, so it could be beneficial to cut support for the diverse internet on the protocol and hardware level.

That's how it was in the 90's. Dial-up numbers connected you to CompuServe's or AOL's "Internet".

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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In addition, what's changed between 2017 and now is that back then Google was still admired by the tech people. "Google is evil" sounded ridiculous only a few years ago. I've been ridiculed by my colleagues and fellow engineers every time I said it. But I think it began to change with the introduction of AMP, a growing list of products discontinued for no apparent reason, failures of some of the new products often pr…

> there's no competition to Search on the horizon This is bunk, and it's time for this myth to die. DDG/Bing/Yandex will list the exact same pages that Google gives as a search result most of the time, and sometimes better ones. If you find that the pointless endless-scroll listing of millions of search results (in 0.333ms!) that Google and also DDG gives you isn't helpful, you can also try Startpage.com. What are yo…

I really don’t think OP meant “there is no way to avoid using Search”. The point is that nothing that you described is a serious competitive threat to Search.

You might get a lot of gratification out of avoiding giving Google your data but the reality is most traffic is coming from people who will choose convenience.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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> there's no competition to Search on the horizon This is bunk, and it's time for this myth to die. DDG/Bing/Yandex will list the exact same pages that Google gives as a search result most of the time, and sometimes better ones. If you find that the pointless endless-scroll listing of millions of search results (in 0.333ms!) that Google and also DDG gives you isn't helpful, you can also try Startpage.com. What are yo…

Can you explain your feelings on YouTube in more detail? I find that I am often looking for information in video form (generally because I am trying to learn how to do some physical skill or to learn about something that is innately movement based such as dance). Although I often use Bing's video search in order to not just get YouTube results, the majority of them end up being on YouTube anyways. In general I haven'…

> Am I misunderstanding you?

Perhaps. As I said, YouTube rules video and video search, there's no point arguing that. It just bothers me that as a consumer I have to go through ads the revenue of which doesn't benefit creators, and that lots of content apart from genuine video stuff such as memes, carpentry/hobby, and dance and niche content as you're saying, could be much better (and with incomparably more effective data use and accessibility) presented on a fsking web page rather than on 1960's linear TV shows with ad interstitials, noisy video suggestions, etc.

Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)

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In addition, what's changed between 2017 and now is that back then Google was still admired by the tech people. "Google is evil" sounded ridiculous only a few years ago. I've been ridiculed by my colleagues and fellow engineers every time I said it. But I think it began to change with the introduction of AMP, a growing list of products discontinued for no apparent reason, failures of some of the new products often pr…

I think a good mobile version of Apple spotlight might do more damage to Google than Bing/DDG.

Improving voice assistants in particular, like with Siri, could damage Google unless they’re not careful, since these assistants go beyond search and act as an operating system, to control IOT etc.

Text search is valuable and so on, but I can imagine that voice becomes the primary mode of interacting with the world (internet, etc) in the future. In that world without screens as the gateway, where are the gateway ads?

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