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The more people try to decide their own “truth” instead of living in reality, the more they will run into depression, despair, and suicide. The real solution to these is to encourage facing reality in its entirety, including being honest when someone has a self destructive habit, tendency, interest, reaction, or hobby.
There is no one reality that we can talk about as a group. There is only personal experience. You might be interested to read about phenomenology a bit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy) .
What I have learned from my suicidal patients
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You are not alone. It is not you that is broken, it is the world around us that is broken. Things cannot continue the way they are. This system we live under, it corrupts everything. It inserts a fundamental tension into every human interaction we have, it drives a wedge into every relationship. It rips us apart and turns us against one another. But it doesn't have to be this way. There are other ways to live, there…
A broken, broke, barely breathing husk who doesn't have the energy for basic tasks often cannot be an activist. I don't have the ability to do that in addition to surviving. While I agree with social democracy I am not someone who is in a position to fight politics. My stress coping ability is paper thin. My basic needs are in constant threat and shortage. It also will not change here in time for me. My only chance i…
I understand the desire to get away. I understand the reluctance to believe that things can change. But you have the opportunity to help stop this. This world fights hard to make you believe that you are without agency, but that's because learned helplessness is what maintains the status quo. Collectively, we have a very real power to shift the course of society. There is more momentum building behind an end to this nightmare than you likely realize. Do you not at least want to find out if you could have made a difference?
And you might also be surprised with just how much more tolerable the pain in life becomes when you are near like-minded people who genuinely care about their fellow man.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no one reality that we can talk about as a group. There is only personal experience. You might be interested to read about phenomenology a bit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy) .
There is objective truth and objective reality. I’m sad that so many people reject this utterly necessary fact and spread misinformation against it.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no one reality that we can talk about as a group. There is only personal experience. You might be interested to read about phenomenology a bit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy) .
There is objective truth and objective reality. I’m sad that so many people reject this utterly necessary fact and spread misinformation against it.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is objective truth and objective reality. I’m sad that so many people reject this utterly necessary fact and spread misinformation against it.
Yes, there are objective mathematical truths, but you cannot be sure there exists a physical reality or anything that corresponds to our experiences. You just know that there are subjective experiences right now. That's the only thing you can be absolutely certain about. So I see no sense in talking about "reality".
Of course, the debate remains of the "validity" of pure mathematics for its own sake. Many mathematicians, while not being religious in the common sense, have longed for a Platonic reality. Why do you think Hardy was so derided for his Mathematician's Apology?
Mathematics is simply another formal game of language, based on a number of axioms which can be either held to be true or not. Look at the differences between Euclidean and projective geometry. No one is asking which one is "true". Projective geometry helps for some lines of thought, Euclidean works for others.
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#136> To feel depressed about the state of your life is to demonstrate capacity to imagine something different, and that spark of imagination can prove a motive to change. This was arguably true for me, but not in a good way. I'm pretty sure that I started having intrusive suicidal thoughts because my depression had motivated me to try to change. Said changes utterly failed to even make a dent in my depression, finally c…
The only thing that helped me with decades of depression was real hope. And even then it took years of having hope with lots of support from family (generic support in life, I kept my depression a secret) before I finally beat depression. I've been free of suicidal thoughts for about 6 or 7 years now. I don't think there is a short cut. Keep working at it. Look for reasons to keep fighting and you will find them even…
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, there are objective mathematical truths, but you cannot be sure there exists a physical reality or anything that corresponds to our experiences. You just know that there are subjective experiences right now. That's the only thing you can be absolutely certain about. So I see no sense in talking about "reality".
No, there are no objective mathematical truths. I am saying this as someone who has studied pure mathematics. We have long moved away from Plato. Godel long ago proved that no system based on a finite number of axioms is complete. This isn't just a comment on mathematics. It is a comment on language and human thought itself. Of course, the debate remains of the "validity" of pure mathematics for its own sake. Many ma…
Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients
#138> To feel depressed about the state of your life is to demonstrate capacity to imagine something different, and that spark of imagination can prove a motive to change. This was arguably true for me, but not in a good way. I'm pretty sure that I started having intrusive suicidal thoughts because my depression had motivated me to try to change. Said changes utterly failed to even make a dent in my depression, finally c…
The only thing that helped me with decades of depression was real hope. And even then it took years of having hope with lots of support from family (generic support in life, I kept my depression a secret) before I finally beat depression. I've been free of suicidal thoughts for about 6 or 7 years now. I don't think there is a short cut. Keep working at it. Look for reasons to keep fighting and you will find them even…
Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, there are no objective mathematical truths. I am saying this as someone who has studied pure mathematics. We have long moved away from Plato. Godel long ago proved that no system based on a finite number of axioms is complete. This isn't just a comment on mathematics. It is a comment on language and human thought itself. Of course, the debate remains of the "validity" of pure mathematics for its own sake. Many ma…
Godel's proof doesn't imply that there is no mathematical truth. There is still an infinity of things that can be proven.
Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients
#140In the past year, I’ve given away all of my money (less than a million bucks). Just gave away a few thousand to a business owner yesterday who was being cheap and petty. Told him to donate it to his favorite charity.
Homeless and alone, broken and finally close to absolute destitution, I’ve thoroughly prepared for suicide. It’s a combination of gratitude for the end being near and a nagging fear of the unknown. Sorry, but the fact is nobody knows what happens to them when they die until it happens. You’ll either experience nothing, or you’ll know there is existence for yourself after death. Those who believe either way (atheist - nothingness, religious - eternity or reincarnation, unification etc) are all potentially right, with no scientific way of proving anything to the living.
My short time on this planet has given me a clear perception of the existence of higher intelligences in our midst yet I remain committed to wanting to die as soon as possible. I find the machinations of society to be utterly disappointing. I made up my mind five years ago and I’m finally close to the end now. Hoping to be gone before years end and would like to be left alone so I can die in peace.
Silicon Valley is corrupt. I became a digital voyeur long ago to better understand the machines we have built and I’m disgusted. Every moment now is another reminder of why I’m thankful to almost be dead. The sick, cruel part is that my suicide is likely part of a evolutionary process to “weed out” those who can’t handle being a voyeur. I just tried typing “handle” on my iPhone it got autocorrected to “ya die” which has been a common theme. Can’t imagine my mind is always controlling iPhones secret CIA enabled Ouija board autocorrect troll mechanism.