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Agree. We need some old school style trustbusting.
How would antitrust here look like? It's a subscription for a direct service... what's the monopoly solution here? Ordering Google to store and serve videos for free?
I pay for YouTube premium but I'm still subjected to ads in the majority of videos I watch: the kind that are embedded by the creator directly in the video, eg, a one minute sponsored by Squarespace segment. I don't know how Google is framing YouTube premium (I get it through my Google play music subscription) but it is most assuredly not an ad-free experience.
What would a good solution for this be? Ask that creators upload a separate premium version of a video with no ads and with bigger payout for views?
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No one asked for constant nag screens. edit: HN won't let me make any more replies. I don't know why people are fine with someone accusing me of entitlement with no basis, while me calling them out on it with a level of civility they did not deserve is out of bounds. I don't understand this place. This is ridiculous.
You're only getting them because you're not paying anything for the service. Why do you think your "ask" matters? Do you feel the same entitlement in other stores? When using Spotify? When visiting the movies?
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I don’t really see how the cost of bandwidth is the main factor. What would change by lowering said cost? The corporations of the oligopoly would also benefit and I feel they would just have larger margins allowing them to keep their dominance. I’m no expert though, so I’m more curious than in disagreement.
IMO the main reason a YouTube competitor fails to spawn is bandwidth costs and lack of advertisers making it immediately really unprofitable.
Plus technologies like PeerTube can significantly reduce bandwidth expenses if that's really an issue. Google wouldn't use something like that because the federation threatens their monopoly, but a competitor with a different business model definitely could make it work for them.
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I don’t really see how the cost of bandwidth is the main factor. What would change by lowering said cost? The corporations of the oligopoly would also benefit and I feel they would just have larger margins allowing them to keep their dominance. I’m no expert though, so I’m more curious than in disagreement.
IMO the main reason a YouTube competitor fails to spawn is bandwidth costs and lack of advertisers making it immediately really unprofitable.
A fresh new competitor to YouTube would face a combination of a lack of advertisers, and a lack of content seeking ad-funding.
On the other hand, when it comes to pay-to-watch content, there's space in the market for new competitors to arise, as the network effects are less significant there.
https://rakuten.tv/ and https://chili.com/ for instance, are far smaller than Amazon and Google.
I guess bandwidth costs are, in a sense, the problem. If if were easy to run a very-large-scale video-hosting site, that would help, sure. Ads wouldn't have to be worth much to make the business work.
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No one asked for constant nag screens. edit: HN won't let me make any more replies. I don't know why people are fine with someone accusing me of entitlement with no basis, while me calling them out on it with a level of civility they did not deserve is out of bounds. I don't understand this place. This is ridiculous.
You're only getting them because you're not paying anything for the service. Why do you think your "ask" matters? Do you feel the same entitlement in other stores? When using Spotify? When visiting the movies?
Some suggestions:
1: Making assumptions will never go over well. Entitlement is an especially touchy one. The implicit assumption is that I use YouTube, or that I use it enough to justify the subscription price. Google is not owed my business any more than Spotify (which I don't use), the movie theater (same), or physical businesses with pushy sales people (this pushes me right out the door).
2: You asked four questions in rapid succession with further (wrong) assumptions. The term for this is sealioning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Good luck with future posts!
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FWIW, the videos with sponsored content are frequently either not getting money from YouTube (such as the gaming segment), or not getting enough from the ads that do run (COPA affected and . The creators may also be futureproofing their livelyhood in fear that their segment will be the next one that YouTube demonitizes by default. It’s not very profitable to be a content maker (outside the top .01%), and many content…
I don't dispute any of that. I'm saying that, as a YouTube premium subscriber, I'm not clear exactly what I'm paying for. I mean, I guess fewer ads is better than more ads but I think a paid service should be able to provide me with stronger guarantees.
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Yes, the internet promised to be a place where everybody could be an independent broadcaster, yet this turned out to be a pipe dream.
The problem was that it’s true without it being enough. It’s not hard to serve your own video streams. But good luck getting enough eyeballs to make it worthwhile.
Got youtube premium so I can watch videos on my commute. NYC subway, no wifi, no 2g,3g,4g or 5g
...or use youtube-dl (or newpipe on your phone), which does the same for free
I understand the complaints some folks have but this isn't the solution.
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You're only getting them because you're not paying anything for the service. Why do you think your "ask" matters? Do you feel the same entitlement in other stores? When using Spotify? When visiting the movies?
This is not a good post. You should rethink it. Some suggestions: 1: Making assumptions will never go over well. Entitlement is an especially touchy one. The implicit assumption is that I use YouTube, or that I use it enough to justify the subscription price. Google is not owed my business any more than Spotify (which I don't use), the movie theater (same), or physical businesses with pushy sales people (this pushes…