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Yes they can by using a VPN for example.
The VPN can access them, but not from china.
At least in 2018 I was able to.
The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)
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Hard to tell if you’re joking. If you do actually believe this, I assume you also believe that e-commerce broke everything?
No, I'm not joking. It's not so much e-commerce that broke everything. Although there were many who did argue that. For me, it's been the shift from self-published (and indeed, self-hosted) to Google, Facebook and cloud services. And the tide turned in the late 90s. Edit: When I first got online, it was AOL, CompuServe, EcoNet and The Well. I was on all of them except AOL. And then we had Usenet and websites. And net…
It has never been more easy to self publish ... via Twitter and Instagram. But the real problem is that you only have 1 hour of free time, spread out in five minute intervals during the day. Being an adult sux.
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How can they even do it with encryption and CDNs everywhere? It's just not possible. The last trace is unencrypted domain name in TLS handshake and it'll be gone soon.
> The last trace is unencrypted domain name in TLS handshake and it'll be gone soon. How can they respond to dns queries if they don't know what you're asking for?
I think you could potentially use a DNS independent of the ISP? But ultimately the ISP will know what IP you're trying to reach due to the nature of their position.
Re: The Web Began Dying in 2014 (2017)
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#45Interesting article that's somewhat ruined by a click-baity title that it can't support. I first got on the web in 1994. There was far more difference between 1994 and 2014 than from 2014 to 2017. And that's the crux of it: just because it's different doesn't mean it's dying.
The difference between 1994 and 2014 seems more quantitative though. Here we are talking about the ownership of the referral traffic and how those companies who own it try to benefit from it. Nothing that happened between 1994 and 2014 comes close to it in terms of the impact on how people see the Internet and by extension how they see the world today.
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#46In addition, what's changed between 2017 and now is that back then Google was still admired by the tech people. "Google is evil" sounded ridiculous only a few years ago. I've been ridiculed by my colleagues and fellow engineers every time I said it. But I think it began to change with the introduction of AMP, a growing list of products discontinued for no apparent reason, failures of some of the new products often pr…
There have been a lot of discussions on Google Search quality lately on HN. (eg here: [1]) I wonder how much of the negative sentiment towards Google is partially motivated by subconscious dissatisfaction with their main product. I think I'm probably guilty of that. Others have mentioned that the web environment has changed a lot and I've come to agree. PageRank style algorithms are probably pretty useless in an era…
> Ironically, the thing I would appreciate most is a manually curated, Wikipedia inspired, hierarchical directory.
Yahoo?
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Except that it's drowning in noise. The SNR is definitely dropping.
Well I would say that web search takes good care of SNR. So far no troubles finding interesting stuff.
My particular need is finding particular stuff. Information.
The Google used to be very very helpful. Now I have to McGuyver it into giving me what I am looking for. Now, my Google-fu is ok, and I can do it - but it used to be trivial.
Maybe this is an artifact of the "web is too damn big!", but I suspect that Google itself is going through both organizational (not necessarily algorithmic) growing-pains, but learning what to censor and what to promote in this complex world, and we are the crash test dummies.
Which is sad - to me - because I used to like it when they just gave me what I asked for.
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#48Interesting article that's somewhat ruined by a click-baity title that it can't support. I first got on the web in 1994. There was far more difference between 1994 and 2014 than from 2014 to 2017. And that's the crux of it: just because it's different doesn't mean it's dying.
The difference between 1994 and 2014 seems more quantitative though. Here we are talking about the ownership of the referral traffic and how those companies who own it try to benefit from it. Nothing that happened between 1994 and 2014 comes close to it in terms of the impact on how people see the Internet and by extension how they see the world today.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but disagreeing with this part of it. The change between 1994 and 2014 is the difference between the internet growing to global dominance in everything from social connections to . . . well, is there anything about our lives that hasn't rested somehow on our usage of the internet since well before 2014? It seems to me that the internet of MSDOS 3.10based computers and dial-up modems to online shopping and the creation of billionaires is more different than what's changed from 2014-2017.
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#49FTA: "GOOG and FB ceased competing directly, focusing on what they do best instead." “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices” - Adam Smith Some things never change.
Why else would you meet with a competitor? :-)
Most of my friends are co-workers, or other people in the industry, including competitors (more the field/sales types than the corporate/management types, because you see them when you are bidding for a client's buisiness).
One of my friends used to be an employee. He quit. He then forked me. He then undercut me (or, well, my prices).
Somehow, I don't know how, maybe because I am such a sterling man of honor (ed: throwaway prince Andrew reference), we are still friends. But I've got to tell you! In terms of price? It's kind of still a race to the bottom. (At least for the vanilla, not the value-add, product)
So - even though Adam Smith has it right (he often does!), the public does not. We are enjoying shared stories of battle, over large accounts, and the blow-by-blows during large-account acquisitions go, and toasting one another's accomplishments, after battle, but ... the prices end up going down. It is the nature of competition.
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#50In addition, what's changed between 2017 and now is that back then Google was still admired by the tech people. "Google is evil" sounded ridiculous only a few years ago. I've been ridiculed by my colleagues and fellow engineers every time I said it. But I think it began to change with the introduction of AMP, a growing list of products discontinued for no apparent reason, failures of some of the new products often pr…
"back then Google was still admired by the tech people"
"Losing our support"
why do you generalize 'tech people' as 'we' ?
I'm in tech and I've been for 30+ years. I still admire Google.
Sure some tech people don't like Google anymore or even never have.
But I wouldn't generalize my case nor should you generalize yours.
And it's not all or nothing: I want to believe most tech people are mature and educated enough to not treat Google as a single block, hate everything they do or love everything they do. There are nuances and shades of gray in life, as we all learn when we grow up.
In the end, what matters is the silent majority not the chatty loud ones that have a personal grudge against some big corporation.
That "Google is evil" is highly overrated and over hyped. I always question the agenda of people promoting this.