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Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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Yeah it's dystopian as hell. What an incredible amount of waste, too. The storage, the engineering hours that go into it, the electricity and bandwidth...all to track you a little better so you can be sold more shit.

Would you feel the same if you had 100% control of the data ?

Depends on the application, but that definitely is an important factor for me.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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The further down this future we travel, the less I want to do with technology. I am becoming a Luddite. None of this crappy IOT stuff will enter my home.

More and more I feel the whole system is designed to make people feel isolated and paranoid. And products like these are part of that cycle. People buy this stuff because they are afraid. But it doesn't help it does the opposite.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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> I don't like microphones being always on either, but it's his phone and his home too. But it's also your home, and he should respect your wishes for privacy when you make them known .

Why should his desire to not have voice assistants in the house trump his roommate's desire to utilize the technology they paid for and want to use? These are both subjective opinions and neither one is better than the other. However I do agree that 3pt14159 should talk to his roommate about it if it bugs him so that they can come to an understanding.

> Why should his desire to not have voice assistants in the house trump his roommate's desire to utilize the technology ...

His roommate didn't have the courtesy to even ask about it up front. :(

That being said, his roommate may just have not thought about it. Only way to find out is by starting the discussion and seeing how it goes.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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Well if you care about it so much, contribute either money or code and create ecosystem with the same level of layman UX. It's difficult to get legislation when you cannot demonstrate alternatives that do not severely reduce convenience. This is a forum of overpaid software engineers. Distributed neural network training isn't science fiction anymore. Go ship or pay others to do so. Brave and DuckDuckGo built entire b…

I care about it enough to contact my local representative (my MP because I'm in the UK) and he agrees with me that there should be explicit legislation to control the use of these technologies. The EU's GPDR is a step in that direction when it comes to things like automated decision-making. Open source is not a solution here, and to suggest otherwise seems like it misses the wood for the trees. Besides which, I hardl…

Don't want a camera on your doorbell? Don't install one. I would like to have the freedom to decide differently.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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Do you have a smart phone? If so I have bad news for you.....

Whataboutism, giving up on personal freedom or privacy, because it takes effort is not helpful. Your handle betrays you.

Oh I haven't given up at all. My cell phone service expires Dec 10 never to be renewed.

The massive amount of data your phone collects about you is quite relevant. Thanks for the downvotes which have now throttled my new account, and given me a bit of a bad impression of the community here.

Can you explain what you mean by "your handle betrays you?"

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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My roommate has a phone. I didn't think much of it until he said "Ok Google" while cooking. What am I supposed to say here? I don't like microphones being always on either, but it's his phone and his home too. I can't escape the millions of cameras around the city or the constant internet trackers. We should have had regulated this stuff decades ago.

I have had first hand experience (several times) with ads being shown immediately after a conversation that were spooky at best and tin foil hat inducing at worst...

I tried it in a restaurant once with a conversation with the word “hottub” about 30 times. Two of the three of us at the table got hottub ads on google minutes later. I’m looking forward to the documentary in 20 something years about the things these companies are doing.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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My minor kids' photos in some company's database, tagged with neighborhood data which points to where they live, correlated with what characters they like based on costumes, correlated with their age based on their height and so and so forth.. Now if the said company can connect my kids' photos with their identity based on some other database, it will have a lot more info on them to sell ads and for other nefarious p…

Bit paranoid much? At this point why don't u just leave civilization and live with the animals?

Please don't cross into personal attack.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: you've broken the guidelines quite a bit, I'm afraid. Would you mind reviewing them and taking the spirit of this site more to heart? We're hoping for thoughtful conversation here, a little different than internet default.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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What does "resistant" mean?

I'm guessing OpenSSL, which has never had a security breach...

Which is great, as far as it goes.

Likely more a question of when, and how feasible.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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I care about it enough to contact my local representative (my MP because I'm in the UK) and he agrees with me that there should be explicit legislation to control the use of these technologies. The EU's GPDR is a step in that direction when it comes to things like automated decision-making. Open source is not a solution here, and to suggest otherwise seems like it misses the wood for the trees. Besides which, I hardl…

Don't want a camera on your doorbell? Don't install one. I would like to have the freedom to decide differently.

Do I have the freedom not to be filmed by your doorbell and have it sent to the police without even your permission to be processed and stored for however long they want and possibly used against me at a later date for something that isn't even a crime now?

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

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Whataboutism, giving up on personal freedom or privacy, because it takes effort is not helpful. Your handle betrays you.

Oh I haven't given up at all. My cell phone service expires Dec 10 never to be renewed. The massive amount of data your phone collects about you is quite relevant. Thanks for the downvotes which have now throttled my new account, and given me a bit of a bad impression of the community here. Can you explain what you mean by "your handle betrays you?"

You're new here. I suggest you read the rules of you haven't (it's to get an idea for how comments are handled and expectations). Comments tend to get downvoted if they do not add to the conversation. I'd give it a bit of time to learn how HN works before making up your mind. I get downvoted all the time, but if you're posting comments of value you can expect your karma to increase over time.
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