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What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by postsantum »

astrodev wrote: post #8
virmundi wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you’re downvoted because you asked a question with context from the article. For a bastion of nihilistic atheists that is HN, the lack of following the driving philosophy through is astounding. Why are people moralizing when the majority say that this existence is a fluke of an explosion? Seems hypocritical to me. It then again, why should I care when I look rationally at the situation and see humans are…

They have inadvertently invented their own philosophy. It's basic tenet is "don't miss out on things" - and by killing yourself you miss out on all the drunken parties and Tinder fucks.

You wouldn't be the subject of the process of missing out if you don't exist anymore

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by GordonS »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #9

I just wanted to say, if anyone is having a dark time, make an appointment with a doctor and ask them about Prozac. Unlike most antidepressants, the side effects don’t seem very noticeable. I think there’s a sort of stigma against talking about mental health (except in the third person), but it’s one of those things that should probably change. Taking Prozac doesn’t mean you’re somehow broken. It’s like a crutch: why…

I'm glad Prozac didn't have noticeable side effects for you, but it's an SSRI - a lot of people have very noticeable side effects with drugs in this class, including Prozac.

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by sysbbinn »

erokar wrote: post #48
sysbin wrote: post #14

I theorize society would be a better place if people could choose to end their life when they please by assistance in dying (commonly given to terminally ill). Although the idea is controversial I'm firmly attached to it from what I've witnessed in my life. Some people just have a terrible fate and nothing that comes in their life changes it because not everyone gets a good job, significant other, place to call home,…

This is a horrible idea. A lot of people commit suicide because of treatable depression, i.e. the wish to die is temporary and could go away with treatment. There are certainly a lot of things that could make society a better place, suggesting more people start killing themselves is not on the top of my list.

>A lot of people commit suicide because of treatable depression

That's an assumption with no evidence that can ever exist because of our understanding of the brain.

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by ARandomerDude »

clarry wrote: post #13
marmadukester39 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that suicide burdens everyone around a person terribly.

And that is a major issue for many younger people who contemplate suicide. I think it's more that they want to unburden themselves, but knowing that doing so will burden their close ones is what keeps them from doing it. Quite nightmarish, if you think about it.

> Quite nightmarish, if you think about it.

Your comment assumes a positive change is impossible.

I almost killed myself when I was in high school but decided not to because I didn't want to hurt my family. That bought me enough time to get things straightened out and now I am very thankful to be here.

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by sysbbinn »

hos234 wrote: post #49
sysbin wrote: post #14

I theorize society would be a better place if people could choose to end their life when they please by assistance in dying (commonly given to terminally ill). Although the idea is controversial I'm firmly attached to it from what I've witnessed in my life. Some people just have a terrible fate and nothing that comes in their life changes it because not everyone gets a good job, significant other, place to call home,…

It's not straight forward. Someone has to be involved in the process of validating that decision and then we get these kind of clowns - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/4215059/Dignita...

You're referencing allegations that haven't been proven.

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by postsantum »

erokar wrote: post #48
sysbin wrote: post #14

I theorize society would be a better place if people could choose to end their life when they please by assistance in dying (commonly given to terminally ill). Although the idea is controversial I'm firmly attached to it from what I've witnessed in my life. Some people just have a terrible fate and nothing that comes in their life changes it because not everyone gets a good job, significant other, place to call home,…

This is a horrible idea. A lot of people commit suicide because of treatable depression, i.e. the wish to die is temporary and could go away with treatment. There are certainly a lot of things that could make society a better place, suggesting more people start killing themselves is not on the top of my list.

>>the wish to die is temporary and could go away with treatment

Stands true if you count euthanasia as threatment

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by sysbbinn »

zzo38computer wrote: post #50
sysbin wrote: post #14

I theorize society would be a better place if people could choose to end their life when they please by assistance in dying (commonly given to terminally ill). Although the idea is controversial I'm firmly attached to it from what I've witnessed in my life. Some people just have a terrible fate and nothing that comes in their life changes it because not everyone gets a good job, significant other, place to call home,…

I think only in rare cases should be assistance by dying. In most cases either you can recover or you can commit suicide alone instead.

What do you think should be done if a person fails to commit suicide alone but left a note requesting a mercy death if somehow were to survive with extreme brain damage.

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by clarry »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #54
clarry wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that is a major issue for many younger people who contemplate suicide. I think it's more that they want to unburden themselves, but knowing that doing so will burden their close ones is what keeps them from doing it. Quite nightmarish, if you think about it.

> Quite nightmarish, if you think about it. Your comment assumes a positive change is impossible. I almost killed myself when I was in high school but decided not to because I didn't want to hurt my family. That bought me enough time to get things straightened out and now I am very thankful to be here.

It is a nightmare if positive change does not come about. You're stuck in pain for as long as you refuse to bring others pain.

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by hos234 »

sysbbinn wrote: post #55
hos234 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not straight forward. Someone has to be involved in the process of validating that decision and then we get these kind of clowns - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/4215059/Dignita...

You're referencing allegations that haven't been proven.

My point is someone else has to validate the decision.

And when you allow it sooner or later you will hear "Epstein/Khashoggi/that Uygur/this narco cop" were troubled souls and we were just helping them.

Re: What I have learned from my suicidal patients

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Post by sysbbinn »

hos234 wrote: post #59
sysbbinn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're referencing allegations that haven't been proven.

My point is someone else has to validate the decision. And when you allow it sooner or later you will hear "Epstein/Khashoggi/that Uygur/this narco cop" were troubled souls and we were just helping them.

I think it should get to self validation.
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