Can't, like... the biggest DNS servers of the world just turn their backs to the current management of .org and delegate that power to another entity?
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#172Some further background on what happened. I don't see how this can be interpreted as anything other than corruption, plain and simple. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_s... "Former ICANN CEO Fadi Chehade personally registered the domain name currently used by Ethos Capital in May and it was registered as a limited company in the US state of Delaware on May 14. That date is significant becaus…
Posting from a throwaway account. I worked at one of the main TLDs for years and was on one of the ICANN boards and got to know the industry well. It is well know amongst the domain name community that ICANN is a poorly run organization, whose directors have in recent years have used their position of leadership to lead decisions from which they are afterwards benefiting themselves economically, in many cases by rush…
It seems to me that running an NIC for a major TLD almost has zero marginal cost: for each domain, you automatically interface with ICANN once in a while to update registration info, then serve some NS and associated A/AAAA records. So it’s kind of surprising to me that $10/yr is already a non-profit price. Am I missing something?
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#173This is just awful. For everyone wondering "how bad can it really be?", they can put whatever cost they like to keep your domain registered. I have a small carpooling site for ski fields in New Zealand - snowpool.org . I've run this for 10 years, as a fun side project. If they hike the fees to 3K a year (or whatever) then there's just no way I'd keep it going. I've have to migrate somewhere else, which would be a com…
This is the case for all new gTLDs. .pro to .xyz to . accountant, the registry can put any price, be it zero or a million dollars.
.com has price caps. Imagine what happens when they remove those and they can just price everyone out of their .com names, names they may have had for 25+ years.
Imagine a world where whomever has the most money can control your brand. What happens when McDonalds buys the Burger King brand because BK was priced out?
.com, .org, and .net are long standing shared resources that should not have unlimited prices. They should be capped forever.
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#174I happen to live down the street from the Internet Society. What could I do in person to emphasize the point?
paint something with chalk on the pavement before their entrance? Harmless and gets attention
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not convinced we are talking about a decentralization issue. We could achieve the same result with laws. Just make what is happening illegal, corruption is already illegal. Furthermore, decentralization won't solve the basic economy rules of offer/demand. Even with a decentralized system, website will still be referenced by natural words ("domains"), which can be owned by only one site-owner at a time, which mean…
In this particular case, the problem is not that individual domains can be traded at market prices though. The problem is that organisations have to rent their domains from a central authority that can hike the rent for an entire TLD to some fantasy price. So the hierarchical structure of DNS is clearly what creates an opportunity for corruption and extortion. And let's not forget that DNS is ultimately a global issu…
> And let's not forget that DNS is ultimately a global issue, which means that the rule of law cannot be taken for granted.
I think this strongly points towards ccTLDs being the best solution. It is very difficult to get all the different countries to agree on common rules/governance for the legacy TLDs, but if everyone gets their own independent corner then that should be easier to get agreements on.
Dividing the control by country also conveniently avoids any single one being able to cause as much damage as ICANN now is.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that DNS powers the internet as we know it, getting everything ever to switch over is at least another 30 years after you make a protocol (that would also need to have literally no downsides).
Not sure I agree. If FF & Chrome both supported it...it'd be in effect in Just look how quickly DoH is being rolled out, or Google's QUIC. Realistically if Google, Mozilla, Cloudflare, Apple, Microsoft, and a few others agree that this move is bad, and wanted to stand up a new .org TLD...they could, and I don't believe it'd be illegal (IANAL).
Web is only small part of internet
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only thing wrong with DNS is that we entrust it to a corrupt government. It's time another country step in and take control and replace ICANN.
> It's time another country step in and take control What's to stop them from being just as corrupt? It's too much for any one country to have control over. It'd be far better to come up with a way to take the power out of the hands of any one entity so that we don't have to keep moving it around when the people holding all the power are inevitably corrupted by it.
Abandoning the whole idea of gTLDs and using only ccTLDs kinda accomplishes that, each country would control only their part.
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#178How about getting the browser and OS makers together to use an alternate DNS system? It only needs Google, Mozilla, Apple and Microsoft to agree and ICANN can be made irrelevant overnight.
Where do we put the DNS root then? If you want oversight and international consensus it cannot be placed within a country. Only option I see is to put it under the UN but that will probably ramp up the politics.
Yes, have 'access to the internet' a universal human right and a UN body to work towards that goal, managing domains.
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#179I can’t visit the site. First there’s an SSL cert problem and when I bypass that Verizon blocks it as malware.
What SSL cert are you seeing? The site seems fine to me, and the SSLLabs check looks fine. https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=savedotorg.or...
I think the cert issue is because of DNS hijacking by my ISP so that they can (falsely) tell me the site has malware. I can’t view the cert now that I’ve made an exception to it.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
No! I agree with you that it seems like it should be cheap but imagine the UN ran it. China would veto ".tw" as just one example of the many problems with government type entity in charge.
Now China can simply buy Ethos Capital and run it. It's way cheaper than the UN.
I'm not arguing having Ethos Capital is good. I'm arguing the UN running it is not a solution. (nor any likely government body for that matter who will likely take down any organization they don't agree with)