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Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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I think it is fair that the increased usage of public infrastructure warrants a substantial increase in taxes

And the correct activity to tax is the delivery itself , or some close proxy for it. Ideally taxed to the business doing the delivery so they have a harder time faking lower prices or otherwise making it seem like the higher costs are for any reason other than the way they're doing business. While we're at it we could make trucking companies pay for the actual amount of wear they put on the roads and the costs to bui…

> And the correct activity to tax is the delivery itself [...] Ideally taxed to the business doing the delivery

Congratulations! You have discovered gas taxes ;-)

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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And the correct activity to tax is the delivery itself , or some close proxy for it. Ideally taxed to the business doing the delivery so they have a harder time faking lower prices or otherwise making it seem like the higher costs are for any reason other than the way they're doing business. While we're at it we could make trucking companies pay for the actual amount of wear they put on the roads and the costs to bui…

> And the correct activity to tax is the delivery itself [...] Ideally taxed to the business doing the delivery Congratulations! You have discovered gas taxes ;-)

Those aren't going to be super useful as the shift to electric continues.

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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I think it is fair that the increased usage of public infrastructure warrants a substantial increase in taxes

I'm pretty sure online shopping dramatically reduces use of public infrastructure, i.e. roads and parking.

Every UPS truck that goes out with 100 packages means, what -- conservatively, maybe 50 separate car trips that it replaced?

And so that much less traffic, congestion, pollution, gas used, etc.

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the correct activity to tax is the delivery itself , or some close proxy for it. Ideally taxed to the business doing the delivery so they have a harder time faking lower prices or otherwise making it seem like the higher costs are for any reason other than the way they're doing business. While we're at it we could make trucking companies pay for the actual amount of wear they put on the roads and the costs to bui…

good point, the tax on a truck should be proportional to the wear and tear of that truck on the road

Trump adminstration is trying to increase tolling on trucking companies because they don't pay proportional to wear and tear.

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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The media really seem to love pushing downright naive logistical assumptions trying to make online shopping a villain while expecting us to believe our own cars and brick and mortar store's logistics run on pixie farts. You never see them talking about the impact of junk mail. To be frank at this point it feels like they are trying to extort ad money to stop negative press coverage.

I think that assessment is unfair to the author. The article even talks about the warehouses and logistics in a pre-same-day shipping world, and compares it to the pace and scale required by the new delivery model. The point I took from the author is that the expectation of same-day or even two hour shipping is erasing the barriers to consumption. There's a big difference between a weekly walk to shop or drive to the…

I wish I could tell amazon to just ship everything together on a particular day instead of piecemeal.

Just because I ordered on Monday doesn’t mean I need it Tuesday. And you’d think they’d learn that there is no front-desk on Sundays before 10AM, but no.

Ugh.

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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I think that assessment is unfair to the author. The article even talks about the warehouses and logistics in a pre-same-day shipping world, and compares it to the pace and scale required by the new delivery model. The point I took from the author is that the expectation of same-day or even two hour shipping is erasing the barriers to consumption. There's a big difference between a weekly walk to shop or drive to the…

I wish I could tell amazon to just ship everything together on a particular day instead of piecemeal. Just because I ordered on Monday doesn’t mean I need it Tuesday. And you’d think they’d learn that there is no front-desk on Sundays before 10AM, but no. Ugh.

> I wish I could tell amazon to just ship everything together on a particular day instead of piecemeal.

You can: https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=17928921011

https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/28/amazon-prime-members-can-c...

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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I think that assessment is unfair to the author. The article even talks about the warehouses and logistics in a pre-same-day shipping world, and compares it to the pace and scale required by the new delivery model. The point I took from the author is that the expectation of same-day or even two hour shipping is erasing the barriers to consumption. There's a big difference between a weekly walk to shop or drive to the…

I don't know how accurate this theory of mine is since I've done zero research and I'm not an expert on anything, but one could make the argument that one delivery doesn't have the same impact as one individual's trip to the store. Let's say I take a weekly trip to the store in my car. I also have to park it at the store during my trip, meaning the store must use extra land for parking spaces. Does the delivery truck…

>You pass aisles with endcaps of stuff you don't need, you pass the beer and liquor section, and perhaps all the things you want are placed at the back of the store - on purpose, so you pass other items.

Isn't this why Amazon's search function is so terrible?

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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I think that assessment is unfair to the author. The article even talks about the warehouses and logistics in a pre-same-day shipping world, and compares it to the pace and scale required by the new delivery model. The point I took from the author is that the expectation of same-day or even two hour shipping is erasing the barriers to consumption. There's a big difference between a weekly walk to shop or drive to the…

I consume less with online shopping. With groceries, I plan out my week's meals with the Paprika app, shoot the list of ingredients over to notes, and then order only what is on that list, which is delivered to my door. No more "hmm, this looks interesting" as I'm wasting my time walking up and down aisles specifically designed to make me spend more. My fridge and cupboard now look almost empty, despite having the we…

> cheap Chinese crap

It may rhyme but it remains offensive.

Can you please change that? Maybe not for that post, as it is too late, but for your future posts?

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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post #5

I think it is fair that the increased usage of public infrastructure warrants a substantial increase in taxes

I'm pretty sure online shopping dramatically reduces use of public infrastructure, i.e. roads and parking. Every UPS truck that goes out with 100 packages means, what -- conservatively, maybe 50 separate car trips that it replaced? And so that much less traffic, congestion, pollution, gas used, etc.

I guess it's potentially a little more nuanced than that since people are ordering higher quantities with greater frequency.

Re: Our home delivery habit reshaped the world

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The media really seem to love pushing downright naive logistical assumptions trying to make online shopping a villain while expecting us to believe our own cars and brick and mortar store's logistics run on pixie farts. You never see them talking about the impact of junk mail. To be frank at this point it feels like they are trying to extort ad money to stop negative press coverage.

I think that assessment is unfair to the author. The article even talks about the warehouses and logistics in a pre-same-day shipping world, and compares it to the pace and scale required by the new delivery model. The point I took from the author is that the expectation of same-day or even two hour shipping is erasing the barriers to consumption. There's a big difference between a weekly walk to shop or drive to the…

The primary barrier to consumption is disposable income (or easy access to credit). Most people are living paycheck to paycheck, or close to it.
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