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An update on YC China

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Re: An update on YC China

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Post by harimau777 »

mirimir wrote: post #121
harimau777 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US certainly has its problems, but I don't think it's fair to draw a moral equivalence with what's happening in China.

The US did invade Iraq, not that long ago. Hundreds of thousands died.

I generally think that the way in Iraq was a mistake; however, even then:

The motivation appears to have been different, fighting terrorism and finding WMDs versus societal control and religious intolerance.

The majority, though certainly not all, of the people killed were combatants rather than civilians.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by thaumasiotes »

icu wrote: post #337
cameronbrown wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blizzard fans would disagree. A small amount of voices has lead to massive awareness in that community.

Also the Blizzard fanbase has put pressure on the company to uphold its own stated principles, which quite frankly Blizzard didn't, and arguably still hasn't upheld. I'd be surprised if less than 80% of Blizzard's fan base isn't aware of the "Free HK" controversy and doesn't support the notion of freedom in HK to some degree.

> I'd be surprised if less than 80% of Blizzard's fan base isn't aware of the "Free HK" controversy and doesn't support the notion of freedom in HK to some degree.

I assume you mean 80% of Blizzard's US fan base?

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by fogetti »

iooi wrote: post #44
jessewmc wrote: post #11

Strange optics not to mention the elephant in the room. I could see them hitting some roadblocks and wanting to try again to get into China, but that would be a reasonable thing to come out and say. It also would be reasonable to come out and say they've changed their minds due to political climate or some other risks. Instead its... the new guy is busy?

They probably have a significant investment from Chinese LPs. It could put those investors in a very awkward situation if YC was more explicit with their statement -- we've all seen how childishly defensive the Chinese government can get.

You mean as childish as the ordinary YC investors? You are right about that then

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by Jamwinner »

bakuninsbart wrote: post #317
icelancer wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that this kind of equality is going to be a thing in China is putting the cart about 200 miles ahead of the horse.

China, as most other communist countries, implemented gender workplace equality much earlier than the West. Furthermore, China has probably the most aggressive affirmative action programs in the world. Yes, China is bad on human rights in some aspects, but these blatant misrepresentations need to stop. They only serve the massive propaganda campaign the US started in recent years.

Those are strong, and unlikely assertions. Do you have any sources for your claims?

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by [deleted] »

Jamwinner wrote: post #344
bakuninsbart wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China, as most other communist countries, implemented gender workplace equality much earlier than the West. Furthermore, China has probably the most aggressive affirmative action programs in the world. Yes, China is bad on human rights in some aspects, but these blatant misrepresentations need to stop. They only serve the massive propaganda campaign the US started in recent years.

Those are strong, and unlikely assertions. Do you have any sources for your claims?

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Re: An update on YC China

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Post by pas »

archibaldJ wrote: post #312
addictedcs wrote: post #291

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It's the same narrative all over again. When no strong arguments are present to defend a viewpoint, the topic suddenly becomes a "cultural" thing. Sounding smart and mysterious. In Russia, it's "the Russian way", in China it is "the Chinese way" etc. It's just BS.

What you have just said is very postmodern and the meta-narrative (or meta-sentiment) could be applied to virtually anything. I was merely trying to shift the focus of the heated discussion here as things were getting homogenous and reddit-like.

Huh. Claiming that there are no valid outer narrative is postmodern.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by throwaway2048 »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #277
seppin wrote: post #133

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> doing business in China is different and relies on of relationship building that takes a long time to nurture That's a strange way of saying they require a Chinese national to be part owner, and if it grows enough the party will seize it all.

I don't think there are ownership restrictions in this economic sector, and the Chinese government hasn't seized Alibaba, Tencent or Huawei. It sounds like you're talking more out of preconceived biases than actual knowledge of how business works in China.

They haven't seized them outright maybe, but they are owned by Chinese citizens and carefully managed by the government,

The CEO and founder of Huawei is a member of the communist party, the government also requires a large staff of military intelligence workers.

Do not assume the strong distinction in the west between private entities and the government exists in China.

In China if you are of any real size whatsoever as a company, the government is either taking a role in things directly, or you are going to be forced out.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by AlexanderNull »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #342
icu wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the Blizzard fanbase has put pressure on the company to uphold its own stated principles, which quite frankly Blizzard didn't, and arguably still hasn't upheld. I'd be surprised if less than 80% of Blizzard's fan base isn't aware of the "Free HK" controversy and doesn't support the notion of freedom in HK to some degree.

> I'd be surprised if less than 80% of Blizzard's fan base isn't aware of the "Free HK" controversy and doesn't support the notion of freedom in HK to some degree. I assume you mean 80% of Blizzard's US fan base?

They took a hit in EU for it as well. You probably were referring to their sino-servers but they do get a hint of what we see over there. Before Blitzchung they were already facing some PR problems for their bans within OW and WoW for anyone who happened to type anything related to winnie the pooh in chat.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by AlexanderNull »

Jamwinner wrote: post #344
bakuninsbart wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China, as most other communist countries, implemented gender workplace equality much earlier than the West. Furthermore, China has probably the most aggressive affirmative action programs in the world. Yes, China is bad on human rights in some aspects, but these blatant misrepresentations need to stop. They only serve the massive propaganda campaign the US started in recent years.

Those are strong, and unlikely assertions. Do you have any sources for your claims?

They're right from the gender standpoint, according to the UN which ranks China as having better gender equality than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by capableweb »

tomnipotent wrote: post #175
capableweb wrote: post #6

While "As we worked to establish YC China, we had a change in leadership. With this, our strategy changed back " does give 50% of the answer as to "why", I'd be great to hear from otherwise transparent YC about why the strategy changed and why it didn't work out.

> does give 50% of the answer How could you possibly know it's only 50%? Please, HN, stop with all of the ridiculous guessing of motives with nothing to back it up.

Don't take it so literal. Point being, the "why" doesn't seem fully covered.
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