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Post by dariusj18 »

Grue3 wrote: post #36
333c wrote: post #35

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> Warren who openly proposes policies to dismantle Apple I don't think this is true. Can you provide a source or quote from her?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/9/18257965/elizabeth-warren-... "Apple, you’ve got to break it apart from their App Store. It’s got to be one or the other. Either they run the platform or they play in the store. They don’t get to do both at the same time. So it’s the same notion. "

I wouldn't say that goes so far as to "dismantle" Apple, but it is definitely a proposition to affect perceived anti-competitive practices. I am not sure where I come down on such question, can you describe the benefits and drawbacks of Apple controlling the App Store?

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by 333c »

Grue3 wrote: post #36
333c wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Warren who openly proposes policies to dismantle Apple I don't think this is true. Can you provide a source or quote from her?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/9/18257965/elizabeth-warren-... "Apple, you’ve got to break it apart from their App Store. It’s got to be one or the other. Either they run the platform or they play in the store. They don’t get to do both at the same time. So it’s the same notion. "

This sounds like a push to allow a third-party App Store on the iPhone, or at least to allow iPhone users to install binaries not directly approved by Apple. That's not the same thing as dismantling Apple.

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by jbob2000 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #29
Schoolmeister wrote: post #16

From the guidelines on what to submit to HN: "If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." This does not fit that criterion.

Don't you think it's insulting to tell a crowd of people that they are not intellectually stimulated by something? I don't find it intellectually stimulating either, but I wouldn't declare something so personal and subjective as factual ("it's not" vs "I don't think it is" or "it isn't for me"). It's antagonistic for no reason.

This is a blog post about a twitter post about a picture. The whole article can be reduced to "tim cook good, trump bad, why in picture together?". HN cannot become reddit, we have to hold our bar higher than blogspam about politics.

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by atypicality »

smt88 wrote: post #40
atypicality wrote: post #33

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I would like to see your credible source that supports this statement. Can you reference?

It's not a secret. It's an open, nationwide effort at all levels of government. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/republicans-plan-bring...

Your link made your earlier statement appear disingenuous. One person's beliefs against the concept of same-sex marriage doesn't necessarily mean said person is anti-gay. Those are two different issues really. One represents a social construct (and legal arrangement) and the other involves a personal preference or choice of lifestyle. Many who are against same-sex marriage still believe in the freedoms people should have in choosing their sexual partners.

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by smt88 »

atypicality wrote: post #44
smt88 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a secret. It's an open, nationwide effort at all levels of government. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/republicans-plan-bring...

Your link made your earlier statement appear disingenuous. One person's beliefs against the concept of same-sex marriage doesn't necessarily mean said person is anti-gay. Those are two different issues really. One represents a social construct (and legal arrangement) and the other involves a personal preference or choice of lifestyle. Many who are against same-sex marriage still believe in the freedoms people should…

I never said anyone is anti-gay. I said exactly what I meant: Trump/GOP are trying to create and enforce the right of businesses to discriminate against gay people.

That's not just "beliefs". It is discriminatory action.

People have a right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't have the state's sanction to discriminate based on those beliefs.

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by atypicality »

smt88 wrote: post #45
atypicality wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your link made your earlier statement appear disingenuous. One person's beliefs against the concept of same-sex marriage doesn't necessarily mean said person is anti-gay. Those are two different issues really. One represents a social construct (and legal arrangement) and the other involves a personal preference or choice of lifestyle. Many who are against same-sex marriage still believe in the freedoms people should…

I never said anyone is anti-gay. I said exactly what I meant: Trump/GOP are trying to create and enforce the right of businesses to discriminate against gay people. That's not just "beliefs". It is discriminatory action. People have a right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't have the state's sanction to discriminate based on those beliefs.

Are you OK with the government infringing on the freedoms of a bakery to choose what business they accept thus forcing a baker to make a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding despite that baker's beliefs on the contrary?

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by microtherion »

docdeek wrote: post #23
microtherion wrote: post #22

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Maybe not "exist" in a narrow sense, as long as that existence does not include being employed, getting sheltered, adopting, receiving health care, or using a bathroom: https://transequality.org/the-discrimination-administration https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/03/trump-attack-l...

I guess my question was around gay Americans (like Cook) and not transgender Americans. I couldn’t recall too much that had changed for gay people under Trump and it seems like most of the impact in the articles you linked is on transgender people. Thanks for the links.

As far as I can tell, only bathroom discrimination among the policies I listed affects solely transgender people.

And there are good reasons for mutual solidarity among LGBT people: At the moment, the transgendered are singled out because they are the least numerous among these populations, and often one of the more visible ones. But those who would discriminate against them are unlikely to stop with them.

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by mcphage »

yabadabadoes wrote: post #37
mcphage wrote: post #31

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> It sounds like fact checked news, but is it? Um... which bit do you think is wrong?

So this is the new fact checking, after the outrage machine is in full swing? I think everyone has seen how this works with alt-right social news blogging, and we've already seen this blogger feed the flames with false accusations retracted later. I don't agree with the likes of Zuckerberg (though I think even he is backtracking) that fake news can be algorithmically detected precisely due to this example blog. There…

> So this is the new fact checking, after the outrage machine is in full swing?

No, like I legit don't have any idea what you're talking about, or if you're even responding to the right article.

The claim:

Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot in Mac Pro Plant in Austin

The fact check:

The first line of the linked article is to the video tweeted out by Trump: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/11973161062364815...

Beyond that, I have no idea where you're going with this.

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by smt88 »

atypicality wrote: post #46
smt88 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said anyone is anti-gay. I said exactly what I meant: Trump/GOP are trying to create and enforce the right of businesses to discriminate against gay people. That's not just "beliefs". It is discriminatory action. People have a right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't have the state's sanction to discriminate based on those beliefs.

Are you OK with the government infringing on the freedoms of a bakery to choose what business they accept thus forcing a baker to make a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding despite that baker's beliefs on the contrary?

Yes. You already don't have the right to choose your customers based on race, religion, or sex. Homosexuality is as unchangeable as any of those things, and it's actually possible to change religion.

This is the exact same argument that was made during segregation and slavery in the US[1]. You shouldn't be allowed to be racist, sexist, or any other type of bigot just because you think a man in the sky wants you to be.

1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/...

Re: Tim Cook Appears Alongside Trump in Re-Election Campaign Ad Shot

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Post by atypicality »

smt88 wrote: post #49
atypicality wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you OK with the government infringing on the freedoms of a bakery to choose what business they accept thus forcing a baker to make a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding despite that baker's beliefs on the contrary?

Yes. You already don't have the right to choose your customers based on race, religion, or sex. Homosexuality is as unchangeable as any of those things, and it's actually possible to change religion. This is the exact same argument that was made during segregation and slavery in the US[1]. You shouldn't be allowed to be racist, sexist, or any other type of bigot just because you think a man in the sky wants you to be…

So you're OK with the government basically running your business. Telling you what you can or can't sell, how much to charge... slippery slope. Why don't you just allow the free market to punish those businesses who choose to do business with whomever they want. I would imagine a all-gay same-sex marriage wedding cake factory would make a fortune.

It's also insulting to compare the people who made a personal decision to sleep with their same sex with people who were kidnapped, enslaved, beaten, violated and oppressed for literally centuries.

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