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An update on YC China

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Re: An update on YC China

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Post by dang »

logicreasoning wrote: post #112
dangxiaopin wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, one party California is a fascist state. Hey, SF just elected a Chavist as a DA: that person actually went and helped Hugo Chavez administration. By that yardstick, doing business in California is also immortal.

I don’t expect anything less from a brainwashed Chinese national (who is most likely living in California and still pledges alliegiance to the dictator xi bao zi) who thinks his whataboutism will work on hacker news

We've banned this account. Personal attacks aren't allowed here, and certainly not nationalistic slurs.

Breaking the site guidelines will eventually get your main account banned as well, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by tomnipotent »

peteretep wrote: post #145
bigpumpkin wrote: post #123

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Oppositions to China's human rights violations does not equal to a blanket opposition to cooperation or involvement with all things Chinese. Doing so only highlights a biased view that is highly prevalent in our government today that is precisely reminiscent of McCarthyism. Indeed one does not need to look far for such sentiments: "The Chinese aren’t smarter than we are. They don’t work harder than we do. They CHEAT.…

You appear to be deeply misinformed about what the term McCarthyism means.

Mc·Car·thy·ism: "A campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations."

No, he's not deeply misinformed. Perfect example is the ridiculous spying bullshit that SuperMicro was accused of earlier this year.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by systemdtrigger »

I was wondering why one of the fastest upvoted articles on HN, ever, was on second page. Now i know, and of course. YC , like other tech firms want to keep their business interest in China come to fruition.

Surely they must account for too many anti-votes coming from a single region?

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by tomnipotent »

brink wrote: post #8
paulddraper wrote: post #5

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What's dishonest/opaque about this? YC is generally Bay Area-only, and after consideration they decided to stick with that.

There's no real reason why given. It seems that HN's "No politics" policy flows over to their blog updates as well.

> "No politics"

Maybe because politics was not involved and it was purely an operational capacity decision? I know it's not as fun as silly conspiracy theories.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by tomnipotent »

capableweb wrote: post #6

While "As we worked to establish YC China, we had a change in leadership. With this, our strategy changed back " does give 50% of the answer as to "why", I'd be great to hear from otherwise transparent YC about why the strategy changed and why it didn't work out.

> does give 50% of the answer

How could you possibly know it's only 50%? Please, HN, stop with all of the ridiculous guessing of motives with nothing to back it up.

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Post by jariel »

jessewmc wrote: post #11

Strange optics not to mention the elephant in the room. I could see them hitting some roadblocks and wanting to try again to get into China, but that would be a reasonable thing to come out and say. It also would be reasonable to come out and say they've changed their minds due to political climate or some other risks. Instead its... the new guy is busy?

"Strange optics not to mention the elephant in the room."

The Elephant In The Room is writ large between the lines.

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Post by tomnipotent »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #105
yourbandsucks wrote: post #63

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Nazis are not in fact people for the purposes of discussion. They are movie extras who get shot as fast as possible. You really had to go full Godwin dehumanization on a billion people right away?

The nazi regime is very much comparable to the Chinese communist party in methods and death toll, about the only thing they don't measure up on is overt military aggression. Why do you dismiss any comparisons with the Nazis out of hand? Seems like an exceptionally poor way to learn from history.

> comparisons with the Nazis out of hand

Because they're generally silly hyperbole, just like this example. If you put China in the same tier as Nazi Germany, you're missing the forest for the trees.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by 886 »

AnthonyWnC wrote: post #138
pcbro141 wrote: post #62

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The ~1 million Uighurs the Chinese government has in concentration camps. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/ch...

NYT is not exactly a reliable source of news in China, actually none of US MSM are.

I know my comment will be downvoted for sure because it isn't a popular idea, but I'm still gonna comment on this.

Reading news about any foreign country, including China, only from US MSM, is inherently biased (sampling bias). Maybe consider reading news from Chinese outlets in this case?

I know people will start arguing that Chinese outlets are mainly propagandas because they are controlled by governments and they are not independent...

But, but are we sure that Deutsche Welle or Japan Times are unbiased?

For example, Deutsche Welle is funded by German government. [1], and the editors of the Japan Times were appointed by their government [2].

Yes, German and Japanese governments are more trustworthy than the Chinese government, but every country has its own foreign policy and political agenda. Are we sure that we are not being "brainwashed" by those media outlets?

This is happening within the US as well. Think conservative news outlets vs liberal outlets.

Citations: [1] https://www.dw.com/en/what-kind-of-company-is-deutsche-welle... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20110716064544/http://www.fccj.o...

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by erikpukinskis »

tomnipotent wrote: post #172
peteretep wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You appear to be deeply misinformed about what the term McCarthyism means.

Mc·Car·thy·ism: "A campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations." No, he's not deeply misinformed. Perfect example is the ridiculous spying bullshit that SuperMicro was accused of earlier this year.

That’s not a great definition of Mccarthythism. Here’s one off the top of my head:

”A political movement reaches great enough support that it can paint its minority opposition as persona non grata. Then they make even mere association with opposition into a crime against the State and force employers, housing authorities, and other institutions to block such ”sympathizers” access to their work, homes, and assets.”

But I am not a historian.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by president »

derefr wrote: post #111
president wrote: post #102

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You need to think of China like North Korea. There is very little chance they are going to democratize in the near future.

All else being equal, sure. But China are still making construction workers into nuveau-riche at a prodigious rate. They're creating the proto-Rockefellers and proto-Carnegies of China, right now. Those people, and especially their children (who would become the actual Rockefellers and Carnegies of China), are going to have some impact. China might "manage" (i.e. suppress) that impact, but a large bourgeoisie class i…

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