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An update on YC China

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Re: An update on YC China

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Post by dangxiaopin »

colechristensen wrote: post #80

I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

In my opinion, one party California is a fascist state. Hey, SF just elected a Chavist as a DA: that person actually went and helped Hugo Chavez administration. By that yardstick, doing business in California is also immortal.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by president »

derefr wrote: post #84
cthor wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say they're delusional. Everyone made this assumption in the '90s, that prosperity necessarily lead to freedom. 20 years later that assumption doesn't look so good.

Maybe people in the 90s assumed "prosperity" in general would be a panacea; but the hypothesis here isn't really to do with GDP more generally (because that can all be generated and captured by the state, as in middle-eastern oil-producing countries) but rather to do with a certain inevitable demographic shift. China has already started on a shift called industrialization : a massive demographic shift from poverty-cl…

You need to think of China like North Korea. There is very little chance they are going to democratize in the near future.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by plntd »

colechristensen wrote: post #80

I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

Virtue signaling doesn't work in business. Should yc do any business in the US which is mired in illegal wars and regime change operation all over the world? What about Saudi arabia? Should silicon valley and traditional media give up the billions in Saudi investment? Every major economic player is evil in some form or another. And the parallel with china isn't nazi Germany. It's with 19th century US.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by dangxiaopin »

plntd wrote: post #103
colechristensen wrote: post #80

I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

Virtue signaling doesn't work in business. Should yc do any business in the US which is mired in illegal wars and regime change operation all over the world? What about Saudi arabia? Should silicon valley and traditional media give up the billions in Saudi investment? Every major economic player is evil in some form or another. And the parallel with china isn't nazi Germany. It's with 19th century US.

It does at Google. They have enough fat to digest it for a while.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by throwaway2048 »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #63
ngcc_hk wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But chinese government is not a government of the people, by the people and for the people. North Korean is also human too. So is those in nazi Germany für Ibm.

Nazis are not in fact people for the purposes of discussion. They are movie extras who get shot as fast as possible. You really had to go full Godwin dehumanization on a billion people right away?

The nazi regime is very much comparable to the Chinese communist party in methods and death toll, about the only thing they don't measure up on is overt military aggression.

Why do you dismiss any comparisons with the Nazis out of hand? Seems like an exceptionally poor way to learn from history.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by colechristensen »

yumraj wrote: post #97
colechristensen wrote: post #80

I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

While I completely agree with you, YC is a private organization and not a political one. The above message allows everyone to save face while getting the job done. YC doesn't need to say anything beyond this.

That is exactly the problem. Saving face.

Causing PRC to lose face is the only way to stop them outside a war which nobody wants. If American companies started cutting ties and explicitly calling out their behavior it would make a real difference.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by harimau777 »

plntd wrote: post #103
colechristensen wrote: post #80

I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

Virtue signaling doesn't work in business. Should yc do any business in the US which is mired in illegal wars and regime change operation all over the world? What about Saudi arabia? Should silicon valley and traditional media give up the billions in Saudi investment? Every major economic player is evil in some form or another. And the parallel with china isn't nazi Germany. It's with 19th century US.

The US certainly has its problems, but I don't think it's fair to draw a moral equivalence with what's happening in China.

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by Gorbzel »

dangxiaopin wrote: post #101
colechristensen wrote: post #80

I would expect more, and more direct language. Doing business with a fascist state or in a fascist state is deplorable. The message should be loud and clear. China today shares many parallels with Germany in the 1930s. There needs to be open frank opposition because embarrassing them is the only way to stop them until the US is willing to park an aircraft carrier group in HK waters.

In my opinion, one party California is a fascist state. Hey, SF just elected a Chavist as a DA: that person actually went and helped Hugo Chavez administration. By that yardstick, doing business in California is also immortal.

False equivalence

Re: An update on YC China

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Post by nmfisher »

godelski wrote: post #24
loceng wrote: post #17

Is MiraclePlus funded by or supported directly or indirectly by YC? Does YC have a stake?

I found two things. Business Insider (via Reuters) [0] suggests no. I also found a Chinese post, but I can't read this so maybe someone else can[1] [0] https://www.insider.com/silicon-valley-startup-incubator-y-c... [1] https://www.sohu.com/a/351116732_550313

The Sohu link doesn't talk about the link between YC and Miracle Plus, it's just a brief bio about Qi Lu (he was speaking at that Tsinghua event).
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