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Post by threatofrain »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #178
threatofrain wrote: post #145

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Average student is using Google Docs and Drive but the office workers I hear are driven by corporate culture, and traditional places of work like accounting offices haven’t culturally embraced these kinds of solutions.

Things is like publisher, illustrator, etc. can replace word. Open office is respectable. But all the google docs champions need to wake up. Google docs is absolutely inferior in its power, formatting options, display performance, ability to write mathematical equations and diagrams directly into the document, etc. Every time I had to produce a non-trivial report in google docs I grind my teeth and end up rendering t…

What do you use for math document formatting and presentation? The publishing world I'm aware of is still running on Adobe.

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Post by fhery »

juststeve wrote: post #223
fhery wrote: post #196

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Wow, you must've been trying hard to cherry pick those. I'm actually curious about this one: >SSMS is an unusable hog. There is just no nice way to put it. I've been using both postgre and sql server for like 1.5 year and tooling difference between pgAdmin and SSMS is insane SSMS is mature, reliable and makes my life easier meanwhile pgAdmin is just viable, but nothing more. Generally SQL Server seems to be years ahe…

When you type Install-Package in Visual Studio, sometimes it just fails to find the package at all. You have to search for it first, then type Install-Package, and then it actually downloads etc.

I'm always doing it via Nuget Package Manager and I don't remember having any troubles with that

I'm using dotnet's CLI mostly for migrations/publishing

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Post by dredmorbius »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #334
dredmorbius wrote: post #314

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Microsoft have an established track record of offering, then withdrawing, MS Office for alternate platforms (or refusing to offer it at all). I seem to recall that there was an Office version for Sun Microsystem's Solaris, which is 99.99...% of the way to a Linux variant. That was killed. (This may have been MSIE or an Exchange-compatible email client, I'm researching this still.) OSX is better supported, though for…

>an [MS] Office version for Sun Microsystem's Solaris // Are you sure you're not thinking of StarOffice, which became OpenOffice.org which begat LibreOffice. That was Sun's answer to MS Office, supposedly started by realising it was cheaper to buy a company that made an office suite and develop it in-house than it was to pay MS for their suite.

I'm positive it wasn't Staroffice. I know that story ... painfully ... well.

It might not have been MS office, but MSIE or a specific application. I'm finding researching this online disappointingly fruitless, though I've got inquiries in a few spots.

Re: Microsoft's “Love” of Linux

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Post by dredmorbius »

philwelch wrote: post #337
dredmorbius wrote: post #314

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Microsoft have an established track record of offering, then withdrawing, MS Office for alternate platforms (or refusing to offer it at all). I seem to recall that there was an Office version for Sun Microsystem's Solaris, which is 99.99...% of the way to a Linux variant. That was killed. (This may have been MSIE or an Exchange-compatible email client, I'm researching this still.) OSX is better supported, though for…

You’re citing things that happened almost 20 years ago if you’re talking about Solaris and BeOS.

Precisely my point. The tiger rarely changes its stripes.

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Post by zarkov99 »

smacktoward wrote: post #206
juliangoldsmith wrote: post #17

Microsoft loves Linux because it makes them money. I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. They won't release products like Office for Linux (though a web interface is possible), and they won't move away from Windows-only APIs. Neither of those actions would have any tangible benefit for the primary users of those produts (Windows users and Windows developers, respectively). Active Directory is so deeply in…

> They won't release products like Office for Linux Because the market for desktop Linux applications is too small to be worth considering. The whole reason they "love Linux" now is because Linux on the server gained too much market share for them to realistically oppose. They had to find a way to make money in that market that didn't involve somehow boiling an ocean of Linux machines. So they did. Windows is still o…

Linux is also much more popular for developers. WSL is a very well executed strategy to keep developers on Windows.

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Post by gerbilly »

smacktoward wrote: post #206
juliangoldsmith wrote: post #17

Microsoft loves Linux because it makes them money. I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. They won't release products like Office for Linux (though a web interface is possible), and they won't move away from Windows-only APIs. Neither of those actions would have any tangible benefit for the primary users of those produts (Windows users and Windows developers, respectively). Active Directory is so deeply in…

> They won't release products like Office for Linux Because the market for desktop Linux applications is too small to be worth considering. The whole reason they "love Linux" now is because Linux on the server gained too much market share for them to realistically oppose. They had to find a way to make money in that market that didn't involve somehow boiling an ocean of Linux machines. So they did. Windows is still o…

> Because the market for desktop Linux applications is too small to be worth considering.

And that is because office and other major applications aren't available on linux.

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Post by denkmoon »

gerbilly wrote: post #346
smacktoward wrote: post #206

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> They won't release products like Office for Linux Because the market for desktop Linux applications is too small to be worth considering. The whole reason they "love Linux" now is because Linux on the server gained too much market share for them to realistically oppose. They had to find a way to make money in that market that didn't involve somehow boiling an ocean of Linux machines. So they did. Windows is still o…

> Because the market for desktop Linux applications is too small to be worth considering. And that is because office and other major applications aren't available on linux.

So it's a chicken and egg problem. I wouldn't "go first" if I were Microsoft, no reason to accelerate the obsolescence of windows desktop. Why not let eg. Adobe go first?

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Post by jacob019 »

smacktoward wrote: post #206
juliangoldsmith wrote: post #17

Microsoft loves Linux because it makes them money. I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. They won't release products like Office for Linux (though a web interface is possible), and they won't move away from Windows-only APIs. Neither of those actions would have any tangible benefit for the primary users of those produts (Windows users and Windows developers, respectively). Active Directory is so deeply in…

> They won't release products like Office for Linux Because the market for desktop Linux applications is too small to be worth considering. The whole reason they "love Linux" now is because Linux on the server gained too much market share for them to realistically oppose. They had to find a way to make money in that market that didn't involve somehow boiling an ocean of Linux machines. So they did. Windows is still o…

I work in an Industrious co-working space in Indianapolis. As I walk around the office and see people's monitors, it appears that about 30% of people are running Ubuntu.

Edit: Query re downvote, too subjective?

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Post by philwelch »

raesene9 wrote: post #13

From what I see in general MS like Linux on the server, not so much the desktop. The reason for that is pretty obvious. They want as many organizations as possible to use their cloud platform, for that to work, they need first class Linux server support. On the desktop, they'd prefer people to be using Windows, but they want to ensure that developers who deploy to Linux have a great experience, thus WSL, VS Code et a…

> From what I see in general MS like Linux on the server, not so much the desktop. The reason for that is pretty obvious.

Because that’s where the entire market has gone, and Microsoft is trying to be responsive to their potential customers?

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Post by wwright »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #232
stiray wrote: post #130

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I have dumped windows completely after spending some time on windows 8 (fyi: system level developer, but... Well i did my share on aix, hpux, solaris, linux, vms too, but I did love windows... Before the age of manifests, putting com interfaces into kernel32.dll,...) What troubles me THE most on linux is interoperability of applications, there is literally nothing replacing microsoft "office" (not a product Office) s…

> Exchange, Outlook, Sharepoint, Lync (Skype for business) integrated into Office mesh... They have great product. After a multi-year hiatus of using Windows (because my customers were running mostly on Linux, Mac OS or did BYOD), on my current industrial/research project I'm back to using Office (Skype for Biz, Outlook for team comm and partially Sharepoint, Excel and even PowerPoint (!) for spec docs) on Windows VM…

I believe Skype for Business has been discontinued, but I may be wrong.

Edit: I actually bothered to check and the EOL is 2021. New customers are directed to Teams. I used Teams at work, and it’s crap quality UX, but it does the job. For chat at least. (PowerPoint crashed on me multiple times this week from within Teams.)

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