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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by TMWNN »

Semaphor wrote: post #431
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #363

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Feedly was amazingly positioned for that. Their two signature featuers were: 1.) it looked and worked almost exactly like Google Reader, and 2.) it could import your Google Reader feeds with one click. Within months of Google announcing Reader's closing, Feedly had acquired something like 8 million new users. Amazing stroke of fortune for a well-deserving product. I still happily use the free version.

2) is what almost every new service could do. And 1) I don’t understand. Feedly was one of the first ones I tried, and none of the settings I tried got me close to a headline-only view that I used in GReader. I used Newsblur for a while and am on TT-RSS nowadays. But Feedly always seemed to cater more to those people who enjoy image-heavy subreddits and full-page hero images, or pinterest. Nothing I tried with Feedly…

>And 1) I don’t understand. Feedly was one of the first ones I tried, and none of the settings I tried got me close to a headline-only view that I used in GReader.

I am pretty sure that I tried Feedly in the post-"Oh no, Google Reader is going away!" panic everyone else using the service was in at the time, and like you I could not replicate the feel. The Old Reader was the closest alternative I found among the several I tried, but soon afterwards Inoreader appeared with a very, very, very close-to-Google Reader feel, and I've been extremely happy on it ever since. (If only Inoreader would correctly open the comment link and not the original article in the HN RSS feed.)

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by TMWNN »

findjashua wrote: post #555
dylan-m wrote: post #293

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This is, to some extent, what Feedly did. They started off as a really nice, somewhat niche magazine-style news reader built on Google Reader. When Google Reader shut down, it was in their best interest to implement the API themselves. They had the very clever idea to make that a _public_ API, just like Google Reader, so in the end all kinds of apps and services wanted to use it, and it seems they're doing really wel…

if someone's looking for an rss reader recommendation - i tried feedly, but inoreader is my favorite by far (not affiliated, just a v happy user)

I am pretty sure that I tried Feedly in the post-"Oh no, Google Reader is going away!" panic everyone else using the service was in at the time, and could not replicate the feel. The Old Reader was the closest alternative I found among the several I tried, but soon afterwards Inoreader appeared, and I've been extremely happy on it ever since. (If only Inoreader would correctly open the comment link and not the original article in the HN RSS feed.)

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by TMWNN »

LMMojo wrote: post #512
iamsb wrote: post #239

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FWIW Google had orkut long before facebook became a success and moved out of colleges. Google had gtalk long before WhatsApp was conceived.

Orkut was pretty much killed in the English speaking world by the Brazilian Portuguese speakers which took over any group which was created. They pushed every photography, climbing and Linux group to the point where, as a non-Portuguese speaker, the site became way more noise than signal. You could flash a group as being for a specific language, but it wasn't enforced when someone violated this. Orkut admins ignored…

>Orkut was pretty much killed in the English speaking world by the Brazilian Portuguese speakers which took over any group which was created. They pushed every photography, climbing and Linux group to the point where, as a non-Portuguese speaker, the site became way more noise than signal.

This is the source of the HUEHUEHUE meme https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/huahuehuahue . There's even an academic study on the Brazilian online cultural traits that cause such problems in Orkut! https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265844216_'HUEHUEHU...

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by bscphil »

findjashua wrote: post #555
dylan-m wrote: post #293

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This is, to some extent, what Feedly did. They started off as a really nice, somewhat niche magazine-style news reader built on Google Reader. When Google Reader shut down, it was in their best interest to implement the API themselves. They had the very clever idea to make that a _public_ API, just like Google Reader, so in the end all kinds of apps and services wanted to use it, and it seems they're doing really wel…

if someone's looking for an rss reader recommendation - i tried feedly, but inoreader is my favorite by far (not affiliated, just a v happy user)

I also like and use Inoreader. It's better than any other service I tested (especially Feedly), and very lightweight and Google Reader-esque.

To be honest, however, I was disappointed with the recent price increases and other changes. I have a grandfathered Pro account that I'm paying $18/year for until 2021 (with a 40% off coupon). Then my options will be to either pay $50/year for a much more limited service (only 30 rules instead of unlimited, only 30 filtered feeds instead of unlimited), or reject the price increase and go back to a "supporter" account, which doesn't have any perks and costs $20/year, more than I'm paying now for Pro.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by tracker1 »

marricks wrote: post #112
iamsb wrote: post #88

A good model will be to start working on a new startup with a competing product as soon as google launches something. In couple of years when they shut down, provide migration paths. Swim in $$$.

I wonder about the damage Google does to any potential start ups in a field. How much buzz can you get when everyone’s first thought is “how could this be any good? Google already tried that and failed...”

Google "failures" can have millions of happy users... if google ejected 10m users, and you can gain say 1/10th of those, 1m, and even 10% paying $5/month that's $500k/month of gross income. Depending on your needs, a well designed system to support 1m users or so could be done under $50-100k/month, leaving $400k/month for staff and profit.

While it may not make sense at Google Scale, it can absolutely make sense for a small business spinoff.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by kedean »

jimmydorry wrote: post #466
kedean wrote: post #384

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I don't think verification of sender is the problem (see PGP), it's that email was built such that anyone can contact anyone without setup ahead of time. I can give my address to some guy I meet at a conference and he can email me later with no issues, we don't need to agree ahead of time that we know who each other are. If he uses PGP, I need to accept the first communication is him, which means anyone can send me a…

He said "adopted". Not "invented". PGP is not main-stream and probably never will be. Such technologies have to be done behind the scenes and presented seamlessly, or they will probably never take off.

I wasn't trying to discuss whether or not PGP is a good or widely used technology. My point was that even if something like it were widely adopted and made seamless, it would not be able to solve the problem of bootstrapping the verification connections without eventually become social media itself.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by TMWNN »

iamsb wrote: post #133
kozhevnikov wrote: post #111

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Sunset Chasers™

Just dont sell the startup to google again and keep building the same product over and over again. :)

Tell that to Craig Walker[1]:

* Founds telephony company Dialpad, sells to Yahoo. (I think it was the basis of Yahoo's search-via-phone-call service.)

* Founds telephony company Grand Central, sells to Google, is basis of Google Voice.

* Founds telephony company Dialpad (he bought back the name and domain).

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/google-voice-founders-raised...

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by thephyber »

pfranz wrote: post #414
markstos wrote: post #371

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Google was one party in that. The other was the person who choose to gave Google the content to post. When we choose to give content and power to a few, large, centralized organizations, that's on us.

What would you have expected them to do? Would you point to the user if Stack Overflow stopped hosting content? Or GitHub? Before places like imgur, I'd see forum postings linking to broken images hosted on personal sites--so self hosting is unfeasible. Geocities data is still around as well as Usenet postings going back to the 80s.

> Stack Overflow

... which licenses its content with CC by SA 4.0[1] and has a public API.

Other licensing models of content will vary.

[1] https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333089/stack-exchan...

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by foobiekr »

iamsb wrote: post #88

A good model will be to start working on a new startup with a competing product as soon as google launches something. In couple of years when they shut down, provide migration paths. Swim in $$$.

Well. They just announced Google Cloud Print's death [1] so, anyone interested?

[1] https://9to5google.com/2019/11/21/google-cloud-print-dead-20...

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