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This year’s Nobel prizes prompt soul-searching among economists

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NOBEL PRIZES are usually given in recognition of ideas that are already more or less guaranteed a legacy. But occasionally they prompt as much debate as admiration. This year’s economics award, given to Abhijit Banerjee, Esther Duflo and Michael Kremer, was unusual both for the recency of the contributions it recognised and the relative youth of the recipients. (For a review of “Good Economics for Hard Times”, by Mr Banerjee and Ms Duflo, see Books and arts section.) Intentionally or not, it has inflamed arguments about the direction of the profession.

The prize, awarded in early October, recognised the laureates’ efforts to use randomised controlled trials (RCTs) to answer social-science questions. In an RCT, researchers assess the effect of a policy intervention by dividing participants into groups, only some of which are treated with the policy. This year’s winners used RCTs to study the effectiveness of anti-poverty programmes in developing economies. To take one example, Mr Kremer suspected that poor health might depress learning by reducing school attendance. By using randomisation to set the schedule by which different schools’ pupils would be treated for intestinal worms, Mr Kremer and his co-author, Edward Miguel, learned that deworming improved health and attendance—but not test scores. Their work has been highly acclaimed, before the Nobel and after. But strikingly, given its practical success, it has also faced sustained criticism.

RCT evangelists sometimes argue that their technique is the “gold standard”, better able than other analytical approaches to establish what causes what. Not so, say some other economists. Angus Deaton, himself a Nobel prizewinner, published an essay in October arguing that RCTs deserve no special status, but should be used only when the context demands it. Martin Ravillion, formerly of the World Bank, has pointed out that insistence on RCTs will skew the direction of research, since not all economic questions can be suitably framed. Results are contextually dependent in ways that are hard to discern; a finding from a study in Kenya might not reveal much about policy in Guatemala.

Then there are ethical quandaries. In a medical context, RCTs were once criticised for denying some participants access to potentially beneficial interventions. Those concerns have largely dissipated as RCTs proved effective at sorting treatments wrongly thought to improve health from those that actually do. Such worries are harder to dispatch in economics. An RCT might test the economic effect of a treatment that is clearly welfare-improving (like deworming medicine), meaning some participants are deprived of that welfare-improving intervention, for a time at least. Power imbalances are also a problem. Participants in rich-world medical trials are typically rich-world citizens themselves, who have, moreover, given informed consent. But Mr Deaton notes that, in development economics, experimenters tend to be well-off, well-educated and “paler” than their subjects. And informing participants in social-science RCTs of the nature of an experiment can change behaviour and bias results. William Easterly, a development economist, has warned against the “technocratic illusion”: the idea that clever people in rich countries can fix poor countries with technical solutions that sidestep the messiness of political action and social reform.

It takes nothing away from this year’s Nobelists to say that RCTs are a valuable tool when used carefully. Other criticisms are more fundamental. No one questions that policies which reduce illness and improve education in poorer countries are welcome. But some economists suspect that such interventions are merely palliative, rather than steps along a path to sustained development. Advanced economies grew rich as a result of a broad transformation that affected everything from the aspirations of working people to the functioning of the state, not by making a series of small, technocratic changes, no matter how well-supported by evidence. The dramatic decline in global poverty in the past two decades owes more to shifts in global trade, and radical reform in China, than to tweaks to education. As Mr Easterly has argued, RCTs cannot be used to answer the biggest of questions: how do such massive shifts occur? Economists cannot randomly assign one set of institutions to one country and a different set to another.

Trials and error

Indeed, some economists have a sneaking suspicion that the rise of RCTs represents a pivot not just to smaller questions but also to smaller ambitions. Over the past two decades, economics has unquestionably become more empirical. Stars of the profession today build their reputations on discovering new facts about the economy; giants of the past made their names parachuting into a corner of the economy and summing up its workings in a few neat equations (wrongly, often enough). Researchers are still guided by theory, which shapes the empirical questions that get asked and whether results are interpreted as capturing some deeper aspect of an economy’s nature. But a world in which economists are mostly policy-tweakers—or “plumbers”, in Ms Duflo’s phrase—is very different from the one to which many economists once aspired.

Paul Krugman, another Nobel laureate, hoped through economics to become like a hero from Isaac Asimov’s “Foundation” science-fiction series, which portrayed a universe in which the mathematical understanding of society was so complete that crises could be predicted with certainty millennia into the future. By comparison, this year’s laureates’ achievements are modest indeed. What critics do not seem to acknowledge is that something bolder might not be possible. The Nobelists’ work could be done only because economists, despite their considerable efforts, do not know how to transform poor countries into rich ones. If they did, there would be no poor villages to experiment on. Some criticisms of RCTs are valid. Others seem little more than an expression of fear: that this is in fact the best that economics can be.

Re: This year’s Nobel prizes prompt soul-searching among economists

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Totally bonkers: economists using science to approach "social science" issues. Social sciences should be ashamed that this is not the norm, we should all be startled and surprised that this is a new thing and evidently people have just been using a system of high-fives and good wishes to solve the world's social problems.

Yes, it would be more appropriate if sociologists and public/political scientists took charge and were doing these studies and not economists. Some of these RCTs are only loosely related to solving market questions.

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Totally bonkers: economists using science to approach "social science" issues. Social sciences should be ashamed that this is not the norm, we should all be startled and surprised that this is a new thing and evidently people have just been using a system of high-fives and good wishes to solve the world's social problems.

Before we pile on the social sciences, maybe someone familiar with them can tell us why RCTs are so hard to do. There are likely other issues involved that make RCTs very difficult -- I'm guessing some ethical issues at least. I doubt social scientists and economists are just a bunch of idiots or charlatans. Likewise, the recent breakthrough wouldn't be such a breakthrough if it had been easier. I don't have an Econo…

For essentially three reasons:

- ethics. Example: is democracy good for economic growth? Of course one could randomly engineer coups in some countries but that's probably not appropriate.

- cost. Example: how much do people change their labor force participation when taxes change by 1%? where a RCT would be "let's give a _lot_ of money to people" and see what happens.

- situation where it is not appropriate. Example: why did Europe rise to prominence (aka the great divergence)? There is not much to randomize here.

Note that RCTs have shortcomings anyway (see for instance [0]).

[0] https://www.nber.org/papers/w22595

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Totally bonkers: economists using science to approach "social science" issues. Social sciences should be ashamed that this is not the norm, we should all be startled and surprised that this is a new thing and evidently people have just been using a system of high-fives and good wishes to solve the world's social problems.

Before we pile on the social sciences, maybe someone familiar with them can tell us why RCTs are so hard to do. There are likely other issues involved that make RCTs very difficult -- I'm guessing some ethical issues at least. I doubt social scientists and economists are just a bunch of idiots or charlatans. Likewise, the recent breakthrough wouldn't be such a breakthrough if it had been easier. I don't have an Econo…

> I doubt social scientists and economists are just a bunch of idiots or charlatans.

The vast majority are certainly not, however, idiocy or ill-intent are not required to fall prey to many common causes of inaccurate results. Smart people trying their best to do good work still frequently succumb to errors and this is especially true in the less 'hard' sciences.

That's why the push for increasing rigor with RCTs and other methods is important and necessary.

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Totally bonkers: economists using science to approach "social science" issues. Social sciences should be ashamed that this is not the norm, we should all be startled and surprised that this is a new thing and evidently people have just been using a system of high-fives and good wishes to solve the world's social problems.

Is there nothing between RCTs and "high-fives" to estimate causal effects? Economists seem to run awfully long journal articles if they all boil down to high fives.

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There is no Nobel prize for economists, specifically anyway. There is a Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, but that was created in 1968 by Sweden's central bank, and has nothing to do with Alfred Nobel other than being from Sweden and "borrowing" his name. I believe the Nobel foundation now manages that award, but there are still only 5 "real" Noble prizes.

More accurate to say that there are five "original" ones and then one added in later. It seems that at this point it has equal standing, in that the Nobel foundation admins it, and it is presented in the same ceremony.

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Totally bonkers: economists using science to approach "social science" issues. Social sciences should be ashamed that this is not the norm, we should all be startled and surprised that this is a new thing and evidently people have just been using a system of high-fives and good wishes to solve the world's social problems.

Before we pile on the social sciences, maybe someone familiar with them can tell us why RCTs are so hard to do. There are likely other issues involved that make RCTs very difficult -- I'm guessing some ethical issues at least. I doubt social scientists and economists are just a bunch of idiots or charlatans. Likewise, the recent breakthrough wouldn't be such a breakthrough if it had been easier. I don't have an Econo…

You are exactly correct. RCTs are hard, not just for ethical reasons but also logistical ones. It's hard to get the money and authority to conduct an experiment in the first place, and it's often impossible to create a true control group.

"Hard" scientists like to pat themselves on the back for rigor, but they get that because they're studying comparatively simple things. Studying the lives of people is hard, but it's also important. It affects public policy, which in turn affects people's actual lives. That public policy gets created whether it's being studied or not -- the studies are hard, but they're better than guessing, and slowly they can build up a picture that makes them better. It's a bit like medicine: we're not going to stop treating people just because we don't understand the mechanism of action and can't guarantee that it will work.

This breakthrough is about finding ways to use the many villages found in poor countries to even attempt to do an RCT, and to come up with mathematical ways to account for the fact that the trials aren't really randomized. Aid had previously been given based on people's best guesses about what would work, which would maximize the value of the aid given if the guesses were correct, but it's hard to measure if it weren't. Aid has been beset by misguided theories and lack of measurement -- good intentions, but often ineffective.

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Totally bonkers: economists using science to approach "social science" issues. Social sciences should be ashamed that this is not the norm, we should all be startled and surprised that this is a new thing and evidently people have just been using a system of high-fives and good wishes to solve the world's social problems.

Before we pile on the social sciences, maybe someone familiar with them can tell us why RCTs are so hard to do. There are likely other issues involved that make RCTs very difficult -- I'm guessing some ethical issues at least. I doubt social scientists and economists are just a bunch of idiots or charlatans. Likewise, the recent breakthrough wouldn't be such a breakthrough if it had been easier. I don't have an Econo…

I have a subscription. The entire remainder of the article discusses it haha. Let see if I can paraphrase: 1) framing the economic experiment is difficult to prevent bias (my take: economics is not in a lab), 2) what works in Kenya might not work in Guatemala (my take: confounding factors are much greater), 3) ethics of withholding benefits to a group, 4) rich country researchers assuming they can and should intervene in poor country's problems, 5) rich country researchers don't have local context, 5) small experiments and small topics may not apply to or have an impact on a global scale which economics operates at.

Re: This year’s Nobel prizes prompt soul-searching among economists

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There is no Nobel prize for economists, specifically anyway. There is a Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, but that was created in 1968 by Sweden's central bank, and has nothing to do with Alfred Nobel other than being from Sweden and "borrowing" his name. I believe the Nobel foundation now manages that award, but there are still only 5 "real" Noble prizes.

“Real” Nobel prizes depends on what you think is the key property of a Nobel prize. If it is “was one originally Established by Alfred Nobel”, then you are meaningfully correct.

If the key properties are “Signals the same sort of contribution to human understanding. Administered by the same org as admins the other Nobel prizes. Has the same credibility.” Then you are merely technically correct.

Re: This year’s Nobel prizes prompt soul-searching among economists

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There is no Nobel prize for economists, specifically anyway. There is a Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, but that was created in 1968 by Sweden's central bank, and has nothing to do with Alfred Nobel other than being from Sweden and "borrowing" his name. I believe the Nobel foundation now manages that award, but there are still only 5 "real" Noble prizes.

The Denver Broncos aren't a real NFL team. There is a team in Colorado that goes by that name, but it was created in 1960 by the AFL, and has nothing do to with the NFL other than being an American Football team. I believe the NFL now includes that team, but there are still only 16 "real" NFL teams.
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